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October 24, 2017 at 5:52 pm #36799
I’d be fine with Hickey or Maddox. I don’t know enough about Bosio though.
October 25, 2017 at 9:31 am #36840I would be fine with any of the three. Maybe Eversgard will get the bullpen job. Would be a nice promotion for him.
October 25, 2017 at 10:52 am #36846I think Eversgard will get a look but will probably end up with the bullpen coach job as long as the new pitchign coach is cool with it
I like Maddux and Hickey…but we will have to really drop coin to pry hickey i think from the Cubs grasp
October 26, 2017 at 5:53 am #36880This article makes the case for John Smoltz for pitching coach
https://redbirdrants.com/2017/10/25/st-louis-cardinals-ideal-pitching-coach/
October 26, 2017 at 6:18 am #36882Thanks, CC, but I am not even going to waste any time reading it. Smoltz has been clear in recent years that he does not embrace analytics.
October 26, 2017 at 12:52 pm #36900Indians named Carl Willis their new pitching coach. He had been the Red Sox pitching coach under John Farrell. Cleveland’s prior pitching coach, Mickey Calloway, is the Mets new manager.
October 26, 2017 at 1:34 pm #36909Twins also add new pitching coach, a guy named Garvin Alston. He was Oakland’s bullpen coach.
October 26, 2017 at 1:50 pm #36911Ken Rosenthal reporting via Twitter that Mike Maddux will be the new Cardinals pitching coach. Jon Heyman now also saying same thing.
October 26, 2017 at 1:52 pm #36912Works for me. I assume Hickey is going to the Cubs.
October 26, 2017 at 2:53 pm #36926Not surprisingly, Eversgerd was given the bullpen job.
October 26, 2017 at 4:44 pm #36940October 26, 2017 at 5:50 pm #36945Hickey to the Cubs:
Source: #Cubs are closing in on a deal that will make Jim Hickey their new pitching coach as part of the broader staff shakeup.
— Patrick Mooney (@PJ_Mooney) October 26, 2017
October 26, 2017 at 8:02 pm #36947I suspect that the reason Bosio was let go was to hire Hickey. Had he not been available the Cubs would likely have stuck with Bosio.
October 27, 2017 at 6:34 am #36949Have read probably 10 articles on the Maddux signing. Lots of accolades about his teaching and handling of pitchers. Not one mentioned of his use of analytics.
October 27, 2017 at 7:28 am #36953Within descriptions of Maddux’s approach – from his early arrival at the ballpark to his extensive use of analytics for scouting – is the framework of what the Cardinals want from a different look in his role. The Cardinals want a coordinator as well as coach
From the Post-Dispatch article below
Cardinals hire Mike Maddux as pitching coach, promote EversgerdOctober 27, 2017 at 9:09 am #36967According to Ken Rosenthal, Maddux had five offers, but of course, the Cards were said to be his first choice.
October 27, 2017 at 11:09 am #36974A friend of mine from DC told me that Maddux was making $2 MM per year on his two year deal with Washington that had just ended. It will be interesting to see what he got from StL, if it comes out. Given he was reportedly in high demand, one could guess he did even better this time around.
November 2, 2017 at 10:11 am #37197Bosio went to the Tigers. Lilliquist news is non-existent.
November 4, 2017 at 8:53 am #37265Good story about how Mike Maddux turned the corner as a young pitcher against the 1986 Cardinals.
https://retrosimba.com/2017/11/04/cardinals-helped-mike-maddux-get-foothold-in-majors/
November 4, 2017 at 10:19 am #37270Rangers have interviewed Lilliquist for the assistant pitching coach position.
November 4, 2017 at 11:29 am #37275I wonder if there is a difference between assistant hitting coach and bullpen coach.
November 4, 2017 at 3:30 pm #37279Probably not lol.
November 5, 2017 at 9:51 am #37292Just thinking how it is ironic that a team with bullpen issues hired a pitching coach coming from a team that has suffered the last few years from bullpem issues. Not saying it was Maddox’s fault or that that makes him a bad hire, just pointing out the irony.
November 7, 2017 at 2:38 pm #37446I will preface this by saying that I got to know Brent Strom better than Derek Lilliquist, so that is bound to affect my opinion of them. And I can certainly be accused of second-guessing.
However, in reading the following story, it reminded me that the Cards had the right pitching coach in house when Duncan retired, but they gave the job to the bullpen coach Lilliquist who was more aligned with Duncan, instead of the minor league pitching coordinator Strom. Perhaps the events were affected by Duncan’s indefinite “leave of absence,” but I have always had great respect for Strom’s knowledge and was really sorry he left. I figured he would do well with Houston.
https://m.mlb.com/news/article/260820376/luhnows-hiring-of-brent-strom-a-game-changer/
November 9, 2017 at 6:09 pm #37554Well, Lilliquist did get an MLB pitching coach job – with the Nationals. So in effect, he and Maddux traded places.
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