Lilliquist, Ilsley Let Go – Maddux new PC

[Brian Walton]

I would call Duncan a data miner. He had huge binders detailing every matchup and looked for trends to exploit.

[Brian Walton]

Jenifer Langosch reports that Mo was to meet with Jim Hickey in Florida this week.

[mudville]

I wonder how much Larussa would have won without Duncan’s coaching, his consultation and advice, and his reclamation projects. I don’t believe he would have won nearly as much as he did.

[Brian Walton]

La Russa was always very straightforward about the importance of Duncan.

[Brian Walton]

What no one has mentioned as part of the Baker firing in Washington is whether pitching coach Mike Maddux will be considered by the Cardinals. He is very highly respected.

[858booyah]

Any news on whom the bench coach will be? It appears that all the focus will be on the Pitching Coach. Any chance it’ll be an outside hire or you think it’ll be someone that Matheny is comfortable with?

Maybe they’ll consider Mabry for bench coach and hire a new hitting coach.

[Brian Walton]

Not sure how you can assess that all the focus will be on the pitching coach since the bench coach job has been open for less than 24 hours so far.

Interesting thought on Mabry. If so, the hitting coach decision would also draw a lot of attention.

What I am wondering about is whether top external coaches will be reluctant to consider the Cardinals with Matheny’s future potentially hinging on next season. Long-term contract for coaches or not, a new manager might want his own guys. (That assumes it would be a veteran with some clout, not another first-timer.) Of course, there is no way to predict the future. But if I was a coaching candidate, the managerial situation would surely cross my mind.

[bicyclemike]

Goo point on the potential coaching decisions. It’s obvious that Matheny’s job is on the line in 2018. Unless a guy feels very loyal to Matheny, a more stable situation would probably be more attractive than the one in St. Louis.

Then again, a more stable situation most likely will not have any openings, so a coach looking for a job may not have many options.

[Brian Walton]

I bet top pitching coaches Hickey, Maddux and Farrell (if he doesn’t manage) will be in demand.

As an aside, I noted that with the departure of Bell, Bill Mueller is the only remaining member of the Cardinals staff to have ever coached at the major or minor league level with another organization. Lilliquist was another career Cardinal coach.

Internal hires are great, but it is past time for fresh ideas.

[Brian Walton]

As I said, there is demand out there. According to Bob Nightengale, the Cubs have fired their pitching coach Chris Bosio, with speculation that Maddon wants Hickey to rejoin him in Chicago. If so, Mo wasted his interview trip to Florida.

[Brian Walton]

Another opening has been created. The Giants have fired pitching coach Dave Righetti, who is moving into the front office.

[Ratsbuddy]

If all these pitching coaches keep getting fired before long we will have to bring back Hub Kittle.

Speaking of Hub, is he still with us? Mark Riggins is still available as well.

[858booyah]

Are any of these guys numbers geeks?

I’m betting on Eversgerd. It’s the right price and someone who will just be happy to have the job.

Bench coach who know….another friend of the program.

[CariocaCardinal]

I wonder if Flores is being considered.

[nbr1hawkeye]

I think Flores would make a better bullpen coach… we need one of them also. Not sure that he would be interested in that job though.

[SoonerinNC]

I think Flores has a more important job.

[TexasCard]

SO here are the teams that need pitching coaches:

Cubs
Cardinals
Indians
Rays
Mets
Nationals
Twins
Giants
Red Sox
Royals

Have I missed any? There is some competition for the top guys and we don’t win those battles for players do we win it for coaches? The Cubs may have already beat them for the top choice.

[Brian Walton]

My money is on neither Eversgerd nor Flores. Outside candidate more likely.

[Brian Walton]

Hickey is interviewing with the Cubs on Monday, according to a Chicago ESPN radio personality. Hickey reportedly already interviewed with the Red Sox in addition to with Mo.

[nbr1hawkeye]

So far, all of the talk has been about the pitching coach. What about the bullpen coach? Who are the candidates? I think it should be someone who was a reliever himself.

[BlackHillsCard]

Let’s stop hiring guys guys with zero coaching history…have we learned nothing with the Matheny fiasco?!?

I agree with Brian that outside eyes could help us. We haven’t gotten better by promoting from within, although I do like Jason Simontachi

[CariocaCardinal]

Pitching coach will probably have a say in the bullpen coach selection so it will probably come later.

[Onyxgem]

I am sure whoever they sign for either will be just brought up from internally or be low hanging fruit, they won’t go get anybody major.

[gscottar]

We can’t beat the Cubs at anything these days. Now they will get the pitching coach we want.

[Brian Walton]

Bob Nightengale tweeted that the Cards are “expected to hire Jim Hickey, Mike Maddux or Chris Bosio” as pitching coach.

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