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I think edman is fine. If we can get somebody much better to lead off I would be ok with it but I don’t see the money being spent there so I say let him play.
Hits doubles, steals bases, and may get his OBP up to his norm of .350+.
What’s not to like?After his initial surge in 2019, he’s been a below average hitter two years in a row. Could he get his OBP up to .350? If he could then he becomes a solid leadoff option. I’m pretty skeptical that he ever will, though. I think he’s more of a .320-.330 guy at peak due to his low walk rate. Meanwhile, Carlson is already at .343 and probably poised to improve even more in 2022. I’d definitely go with him over Edman.
Carlson is developing into a MOTO type hitter. He’s perfect in the #2 hole. Between Edman and Donovan, we’ll have leadoff covered. By the way, using any numbers for Edman in the crazy shortened,jammed up 2020 season or his first full marathon major league season is not wise.
How is Edman a “below average hitter?”
168 hits in 2021 for average of .262 (NL BA .244). He is not a great hitter, but you can’t say “below average.” He’ll do til somebody better comes along.
I was wondering about the same thing, CIF.
I think 25 would agree that he pushed it a little with that statement.Edman is excellent! I see that his improvement could come as a hitter in being more patient and drawing more walks. He makes contact too much. He does not strike much but also does not walk a lot. He has to learn to be more selective.
Edman and his coaches need to study the videos of his August plate appearances. Here was his line in August –
25 games
117 plate appearances
.302/.364/.491/.855The man(Edman) led the league in doubles. One need only look over the NL or AL doubles champs over the past 20 years to get a better idea of what we have here in this young player. I continue to be amazed with the truly brilliant baseball savvy posters here on this site…..who totally drop the ball in referring to him as a “sub” or “super-sub”.
Ok, if we’d like to parse words, Edman has been a below average overall hitter for two of his three years with St Louis. His good 2019 campaign buoys his overall line to a 101 OPS+, which is basically average. I don’t personally buy that he’s going to do much better than that going forward, although I admit that it’s a possibility. That said, his hit tool is his strongest attribute, which is why he seems like a good leadoff man. But his lack of walks (because he has little power) will limit his effectiveness. He’s really a perfect #9 man in the DH era.
stl25… I always respect your takes on the Cards but your pessimistic view of Edman rivals BW’s. How long before you look away from all the stats and look at him on the field. He is definitely a gamer.
Between Gorman and Donovan, Edman could well be pinched out of the starting 2B role some time next year. One thing about Edman is he has no platoon split. His OBP is equally paltry from either side. That limits his use as a platoon player or situational bench bat. Assuming also that he was moved off SS early on in his pro career for a reason, I do not see a role for him with the Cards very much longer. That presents the possibility he could be moved this winter. With another year before arb eligible, his value might be better now than later.
I think there would be……….oh about 29 other teams that would gladly trade for Edman if the offer resembled anything close to reasonable in nature. And of these 29, I would think not a one would be looking at him being a sub. He can play anything other that pitcher, catcher or maybe the classical guitar.
I think there is a decent chance that Edman will be the starting SS for the Redbirds in 2022. Where the new manager hits him in the order I do not know. It will probably be wherever the front office tells him to.
Also, coincidence or not, our lineup took off this past year when we went with Goldy, O’Neill, Arenado hitting 2-4.
Pugs I agree there would be demand for Edman’s services. My thinking he is the most valuable trade piece we have that Mo might realistically part with. I don’t think our SS situation factors in as I don’t think Edman can play the position as a starter at the MLB level. Sosa seems playable there even after the WC game jitters. There would need to be a plan in place for our leadoff slot. Sosa is a possibility. Also, Nottbaar’s leading off in the AFL is worth an eyebrow raise.
The possibilities for this winter are not limited to the FA market. I am just thinking about trade possibilities beyond complementary piece type guys this winter. Mo is not going to give up prime prospects, we know that. And we would not get a front line player, position or pitcher, for a basket of lesser hopefuls. As Pugs suggested, a lot of teams would see Edman as a way to plug a hole with a proven guy. That presents possibilities.
Some posters seem to forget Edman’s sparkplug factor, both in the field and at the plate. Also his endurance factor. He played in 159 games in 2021. Not to mention his 13.7% K rate.
I guess geeks will be geeks.Edman has accumulated 8.8 bWAR in less than 2 seasons’ worth of games at the start of his career, while being repeatedly shuffled about in the field and batting order to meet whatever is the team’s latest deficiency. That’s a guy I’m keeping.
Instead of worrying about Edman I would think we should be worried about Tyler O’Neill. Does anybody here think he is going to repeat what he did in 2021?
I think Edman is more likely to be a consistent producer over time than O’Neill. Though as of now, I see no reason not to keep both of them.
I’d be ok with trading Edman now while his value is high. I see where the Dodgers may be interested in moving Bellinger, although his value would be at a low for them. He would fit the Dodgers well if they lose Chris Taylor.
To be clear, I think Tommy is a good ballplayer. He’s a very good glove at 2B and probably would play a passable SS, good base runner and I think could be an average hitter if all goes well. But I don’t think he’s a player you build your team or lineup around. He’s the type that are necessary if you want to build a consistent winner, if you’ve got a bunch of stars already.
You draft a player, develop him all the way through the minors, he becomes a productive major league player, he is among the major league leaders in doubles and stolen bases, he is just coming into his prime years (and is still inexpensive), and what do you do? You trade him. Makes a lot of sense. Lol.
Why not? Smart teams do this all the time. The Rays have done it. The Dodgers and Red Sox too, despite their big payrolls. If you can get better, why not go for it? Again, I like Tommy Edman and I’m not suggesting we cut him or give him away for a reliever. But I don’t know what to say if you don’t think Tommy Edman to Jose Ramirez or Cody Bellinger is an upgrade.
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