March 26, 2020 at 7:19 am #125336
His criteria is no MLB time. He includes player writeups from Baseball America.
Rondon, Montero, Torres, Nunez among those passed over.March 26, 2020 at 9:26 am #12535714NyquisTParticipantPaid - Annual
Bird Land 7 has a simple cutoff: A player must not have a moment in the majors. Not a moment.
(So no Knizner-Cabrera-Williams-Sosa etc.)
When you get down to the elite top 7 competition for those spots is under a strong microscope. The is varied criteria used by every rater so naturally the lists are different. Gould has some time on his hands so he likely dug deeper at this point. I like his optimism for Oviedo and Whitley who he includes as his highly valued prospects.
1. Carlson- TCN= #1
2. Gorman- TCN= #2
3. Thompson- TCN= #6
4. IHerrera- TCN= #5
5. Liberatore- TCN= added as #3
6. Whitley- TCN= #20
7. Oviedo- TCN= #14
I also like Thompson ahead of Liberatore.March 26, 2020 at 9:54 am #125360gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
I am glad to see Oviedo receiving a strong mention. In my opinion he has been undervalued a bit on this board. Some have consistently ranked Rondon ahead of him but not I.March 26, 2020 at 10:03 am #125362
BA ranks Liberatore no. 2 in the system and Thompson no. 7. They have Oviedo 12th, after Montero.
BAs list using Goold’s criteria:
Seems like Goold’s list is more focused on those closest to MLB. Clearly he sees the prospects differently than BA, FWIW.March 26, 2020 at 10:07 am #12536614NyquisTParticipantPaid - Annual
Seems like Goold’s list is more focused on those closest to MLB.
It sure does seem that way…. hence the Whitley and Oviedo optimism.March 26, 2020 at 3:04 pm #125375bccranParticipantPaid - Annual
Has anyone compared 22 year old Angel Rondon to 22 year old Johan Oviedo? Some say that Oviedo
has a higher ceiling because of his velocity. But their results at Springfield this past season were a bit different.
IP – 115
ERA – 3.21
WHIP – 1.23
H – 99
K – 112
W – 42
IP – 113
ERA – 5.65
WHIP – 1.63
H – 120
K – 128
W – 64
March 26, 2020 at 4:17 pm #125387gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
- This reply was modified 1 week, 5 days ago by Brian Walton.
Rondon had a better year at Springfield than Oviedo no doubt but the Texas league can be hard on pitchers. Both pitchers were very dominant at pitcher friendly Palm Beach, with Oviedo’s numbers a little better. Oviedo’s numbers this spring were a little better also but neither had enough innings to make much of it.
I still think Oviedo’s ceiling is a bit higher due to his raw stuff and his physical stature, but I could see both in St. Louis before the end of 2021 unless too much of this season is wiped out.
April 7, 2020 at 12:33 pm #126147
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Unless I am misunderstanding, Derrick seems to have confused Dennis Ortega and Ivan Herrera. In his weekly chat, he was asked about Ortega and talked about him as one of his top seven prospects.
Chat Q&A (seems to be no easy way to get to screen #15, sorry): https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/quick-hits-goold-on-the-cardinals/collection_7e1baade-ec35-5fa9-9b12-0f43bacf6958.html?fbclid=IwAR044MXOo13D1Wc05I_d-AC381Vdc2SjDjaL24oQTcg78iDn_sCTgqlSi18April 7, 2020 at 12:47 pm #126149stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
On the Oviedo vs Rondon debate, the reason Oviedo gets a bit more attention from some comes down to two starts:
7-27-19: 7 IP, 6H, 1 BB, 1 ER, 11Ks
8-28-19: 7.1 IP, 5H, 0 BB, 0 R, 10Ks
He certainly has great potential if he can control the ball. Rondon also has mid rotation potential, but maybe not quite the ceiling that Oviedo does.
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