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  • #154001
    gscottar
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    ESPN Top 100

    18. Carlson
    50. Gorman
    77. Herrera
    80. Liberatore

    10. Arozarena

    #154008
    Brian Walton
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    The merge function is not working currently, so I went with the oldest one.

    #154015
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    Technically mine was at 10:25 and gscottar’s was at 10:26 (yes I looked after I saw we both posted, lol). Could we modify the name to reflect that it’s ESPN Prospect Rankings? Otherwise it could look like some other sort of rankings.

    #154017
    Brian Walton
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    stlcard25, you get no respect around here… 😉

    #154020
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    Ain’t that the truth! 😂

    I like that gscottar’s post has the clickable tweet though, so that’s better anyway. Good to see Herrera getting some love. He could really move up lists with a good 2021 at Springfield/Memphis and more importantly, make it to St Louis later on in the season with a shot to take over next year.

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    #180018
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    McDaniel updates for 2022:

    17. Walker
    18. Gorman
    63. Herrera
    93. Liberatore

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/33253001/kiley-mcdaniel-top-100-mlb-prospects-2022

    #180088
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    McDaniel ranks the Cards system 14th.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/33296649/kiley-mcdaniel-2022-mlb-farm-system-rankings-all-30-teams

    14. St. Louis Cardinals ($217.5 million)
    (40 players ranked, 13 better than 40 FV)
    Last year: 18th, $171 million
    Top-100 prospects: 4

    The Cardinals do it their way — they don’t fall into any of the neat boxes that other scouting and development groups do — with a solid group of potential impact talent from the draft, international signings and trades. The top two players in their system were prep third basemen expected to go higher in the first round who slid for unclear reasons, followed by a mid-to-low-tier international signing, an undervalued-at-the-time young lefty, and so on.

    They continued this zig-when-they-zag tendency by taking Michael McGreevy in the first round this year, more beloved by eyeball evaluators than trendy analytical methods. They have to find value when they’re consistently picking in the back of the first round and the Cardinals have their own way of doing that.

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    more beloved by eyeball evaluators than trendy analytical methods

    Funny on two counts.

    1) “trendy analytical methods”. Truer words were never spoken, but coming from McDaniel its funny.
    2) The eyeball evaluators that know anything are sitting in rocking chairs or holding fishing poles.

    #194582
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    After the trade deadline, the Cards come in…15th, somehow. A spot drop from preseason. The overall value did rise from $218M to $232M.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/34345715/post-mlb-trade-deadline-farm-system-rankings-all-30-teams

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    I’ll be darned. Until I read the text in the link you provided, I thought maybe the Redbird Big League team could be purchased at a fair market value of approx. $225M…Seemed like a pretty good deal and I was ready to call a few of my buddies to see if we could scrape together the cash…I was gonna tell them we’d make a killing in the parking revenue alone!

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    Nice! I like to think of myself in the #2 category, but I’m consistently wrong about almost everything. If you don’t believe me, you can ask my supervisor/wife…

    #194590
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    I saw that article earlier today stl25. No way the Cardinals system is 15th. It should easily be Top 10 considering all of the clamoring done during the trade deadline by the so called experts. I also noticed in McDaniel’s description of the Cardinal system he didn’t even mention Jordan Walker at all. How is that possible?

    #211935
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    ESPN with the updated top 100…

    Walker 14
    Winn 27
    Hence 61
    Graceffo 81
    Herrera 89
    Liberatore HM

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/35490487/top-100-mlb-prospects-list-2023-kiley-mcdaniel

    #212052
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    McDaniel rates the systems as a whole…the Cards are 10th. An interesting quote regarding the Cards’ depth of young talent: “This is feeling Dodgers-adjacent — and that’s a huge compliment.”

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/35490490/top-30-mlb-farm-systems-prospects-list-2023-kiley-mcdaniel

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    Thanks for sharing, stlcard25. The good news is the Cards are 10th, but yet they are just third in the division. The two doormats, Cincy and Pitt, have been loading up on good prospects through draft and trades. If they come through, perhaps the division will equalize over time.

    And the Cubs are just one spot behind StL and the Brewers five. So the entire Central Division is in the top half of these rankings.

    #212063
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    McDaniel rates the systems as a whole…the Cards are 10th. An interesting quote regarding the Cards’ depth of young talent: “This is feeling Dodgers-adjacent — and that’s a huge compliment.”

    Yep! 🙂

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    The Cubs…..ESPN loaded up the Cubs list with a bunch of 50 grade prospects in Hernandez, Caissie, Wesneski, and Triantos. (These are the just missed top 100 prospects) Even two in the top 100 are a joke too in Wicks and Alcantara.

    Look up any of them, other than Wesneski, and tell me what they have over Burleson, Liberatore, or McGreevey? Or in Wicks case over Graceffo and Hence too?

    I do like Crow-Armstrong and don’t like everyone dropping Brennen Davis.

    #242340
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    Here it is…

    (Go to “FORUMS” at the right of the top red menu bar. Enter in the search box on that page “Kiley McDaniel” and this thread came up.)

    #242342
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    Here it is…

    (Go to “FORUMS” at the right of the top red menu bar. Enter in the search box on that page “Kiley McDaniel” and this thread came up.)

    Ok. I did a search for espn and couldn’t find it. You can merge the threads or delete the new one if need be.

    #242344
    Brian Walton
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    I suspect ESPN may be too generic to search on, as it appears frequently.

    Merge isn’t working correctly, so I am copying your info here. Last in the division is not encouraging.

    From gscottar:

    ESPN rankings for the NLC:

    2. Cubs
    5. Brewers
    10. Reds
    14. Pirates
    18. Cardinals

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/39437646/top-30-mlb-farm-systems-prospects-list-2024-kiley-mcdaniel-cubs-orioles-tigers-padres

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    Latest ESPN Farm System Rankings by team. Apparently the Dodgers do more than just buy players. Who knew?

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/43601370/2025-top-30-mlb-farm-systems-prospects-list-kiley-mcdaniel-rankings-dodgers-white-sox-tigers-red-sox

    1. Dodgers
    2. White Sox
    3. Tigers
    4. Red Sox
    5. Rays
    6. Twins
    7. Mariners
    8. Brewers
    9. Mets
    10. Cubs
    11. Guardians
    12. Nationals
    13. Reds
    14. Orioles
    15. Marlins
    16. Rangers
    17. Phillies
    18. Rockies
    19. Cardinals
    20. Pirates
    21. Yankees
    22. Royals
    23. A’s
    24. Blue Jays
    25. Diamondbacks
    26. Padres
    27. Braves
    28. Angels
    29. Giants
    30. Astros

    #275736
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    Their take on the Cardinal system:

    Top 100 prospects: 3

    The Cardinals have some strong upper-minors pitching depth in right-handers Tink Hence, Michael McGreevy and Tekoah Roby and left-handers Quinn Mathews and Cooper Hjerpe — and I’d expect to see shortstops JJ Wetherholt and Thomas Saggese as well as catchers Leonardo Bernal and Jimmy Crooks in the upper minors in 2025. I’d bet there will be some All-Star appearances among that group, which is increasingly what the Cardinals need from their system. Their organizational payroll posture is effective at filling out a core with solid contributors, but they need to out-scout the competition to find stars since they haven’t been interested in paying retail price in free agency.

    There are only two players in the organization with contracts guaranteed after 2026. St. Louis is in the middle of trying to trade one of them (Nolan Arenado), which bodes well for flexibility, but the core needs to be bolstered by standout young players, whether that is prospects or recent graduates.

    #275774
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    The ESPN ranking should probably be taken with a few grains of salt. 3 of the 5 pitchers they tout will likely have limited or no impact in MLB due to arm trouble, and neither of the “shortstops” they tout are likely to man that position every day in MLB. But I guess the rankings as to other teams are probably not reality based either.

    #275779
    Brian Walton
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    Just wondering. Since LA’s farm system is so great, why do they have to buy so many top players?

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