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It’s going to be interesting to see who stays on the active roster once everyone is back. Or do they rotate some of them for the remainder of the season?
Gallegos
Miller
Helsley
Hicks
Reyes
Martinez (starter?)
Webb
Gant
Woodford (starter?)
Ponce (starter?)
Gomber
Cabrera
Elledge
Fernandez
Whitley
KaminskyThe Cardinals have at least eight more doubleheaders remaining. Every one of those days, they will add a 29th man, almost certainly a pitcher. When each DH is over, they may send down a different pitcher than the 29th man, based on which relievers threw a lot of innings in the DH. So once the DHs return heavy in September, the pitching part of the roster will be somewhat volatile (without all the 40-man additions they had in Chicago).
Of the names you listed, except for Kaminsky and Hicks (who I mentioned to you on another thread is out until 2021), I expect every one of them to pitch for St. Louis ahead this season. I would also add Ricardo Sanchez to the list.
The ones with minor league options may be shuffled in and out to keep an active group with as fresh of arms as possible. The deeper the starters can go, the less relief will be needed, which would cut down the volume of moves.
P.S. Here is a similar thread from a few days ago in which the post-COVID makeup of the pitching staff was discussed by a number of posters.
Did I miss something? Why in the last few days has Kaminsky seemed to fall off the consensus bullpen predictions for the rest of the season?
Welcome, devin. The Cardinals have a 40-man roster jam coming soon and in my estimation those signed as minor league free agents seem most likely to be placed on waivers. Unless there are injuries in the interim, it will affect six players, mostly pitchers I expect. If they clear waivers and are not claimed by another organization, most would remain in the organization and could be re-added to the 40-man later in the season if the need arises.
Hi Brian,
Thank you for the welcome and for your reply.
So they needed to lose 7 (assuming all COVID players come back). They dropped Seijas, he cleared waivers, and they outrighted him to Springfield. (He was on some, but not everyone’s, drop list, but there it is.) So that leaves 6 to DFA. Hicks is out, too.
One can make arguments for various versions of the DFA list, but there seemed to be a consensus that Kaminsky had a good shot to stay. AAA experience. Very good record at AA. Pitched perfect innings, two days in a row. Essentially performed as his best-advertised self (since becoming a reliever). Induced uncomplicated grounders, got Ks, with no walks, Low 90s FB. Out-performing Webb (maybe his closest analogue), and didn’t collapse (so far) in the clutch (cough) Roel.
Right after he was sent to the taxi squad the vibe seemed to be: “Well, he couldn’t do three days in a row if he’s needed back soom. He did great in his debut, he could really contribute, and he’s a lefty who can pitch to righties. He’ll stay on the 40-Man, and be back when the revolving door revolves again to rest someone.”
Now in the last couple of days I don’t see him on as many ‘keep’ lists by writers or commenters,.. and so I was wondering what, if anything, happened to turn the vibe.I appreciate your observation about the minor league free-agents, though.
Thanks again.
Sanchez is just 23 years of age and is still developing. He has no experience above Double-A other than his time with St. Louis. Sanchez was already been snapped up twice before when made available (which is how the Cards got him). On the other hand, a team may decide that an older pitcher who has been through free agency is going to be more likely to clear waivers and not be lost to the organization.
We shall see what happens, but there is more to it than just a very limited amount of comparative stats.
Legitimate. I’m not trying to over-simplify, especially based on such limited data sets for Sanchez and Kaminsky. I was just clarifying my frame for the question.
Thanks again for taking the time. I’ll be interested to see how this all plays out.
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I don’t usually tease subscriber articles here on the free board, but I expanded the earlier discussion on the bullpen into a full analysis of which of the pitchers I think are most likely to be moved on and off the active roster over the final month of the season.
Consider this the calm before another period of intensive pitching roster churn by the #stlcards, as at least 8 doubleheaders are just ahead. I predict which pitchers are most likely to be riding the new I-44 Shuttle between now and season's end. ($) https://t.co/11HpTO83yI pic.twitter.com/9lQVCKdJZt
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) August 25, 2020
I know the chances are probably low but I would like to see Webb released and keep Kaminsky. Webb may have been good in 2019 but he has never done too much any other time. At 30 years old, I don’t see him doing much more for the Cardinals that Kaminsky couldn’t provide.
I keep seeing Sanchez associated with waiver claim. It’s also the same way we picked up Webb. I prefer the former.
Per Cardinals website, Andrew Miller to IL for shoulder fatigue retroactive to August 24. He has made seven appearances so far this year and he needs seven more appearances to vest his $12M option for 2021.
I sure hope he doesn’t get those seven more appearances. It’s not that I’ve got something against Andrew Miller, but the truth is that he just isn’t worth it. I hope they can save that $12M for a player who will benefit the team, and the fans, more than Miller has. If some of these washed up millionaire players would have the guts to retire when they know they can’t do it anymore, rather than hang around to collect more millions of the fans’ money, MLB and it’s fan base would be in a better place.
If some of these washed up millionaire players would have the guts to retire when they know they can’t do it anymore, rather than hang around to collect more millions of the fans’ money, MLB and it’s fan base would be in a better place.
Yes but nobody forced our front office to give the big contracts to Fowler, Carp, Miller, Cecil, etc…. Should the front office be forced to resign every time they make a big blunder? That is an interesting idea actually.
I don’t like it either but management has to consider what they are actually getting when they open up the checkbook.
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Yes but nobody forced our front office to give the big contracts to Fowler, Carp, Miller, Cecil, etc…. Should the front office be forced to resign every time they make a big blunder? That is an interesting idea actually.
Why stop there? The honorable thing to do would be harakiri! 😉
Think of all the job opportunities that would come up in baseball. Of course, no one would take the jobs. In fact, there would also be a lot of teams for sale with current owners leaving us.
Realistic expectations, folks. Perfection ain’t happening. Look around the game.
In fact, your way, the histories of two of baseball’s oldest franchises would be rewritten as Theo never would have made it to one World Series, let alone win three.
If all contracts were based on performance criteria, that would do a lot to calm restless fans who are concerned about how their money is being spent.
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