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September 18, 2017 at 10:04 pm #33385
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ParticipantThey just came out with their Top 20 for the PCL. Does anyone have access?
September 19, 2017 at 7:20 am #33396DeJong (5), Kelly (7), Flaherty (8), Weaver (10), and Bader (19). O’Neill did not make Top 20.
September 19, 2017 at 7:31 am #33397O’Neil fell off several prospect lists around the mid-season mark and a lot of it had to do with his extremely high strikeout rate and low batting average. O’Neil is a Randal Grichuk 2.0 with only better base running.
September 19, 2017 at 7:34 am #33399O’Neill walks at a higher rate than Grichuk.Dismissing O’Neill is nonsense.Remember that he is one of the younger players in the league also.Calling him RG II is the lazy way out.
September 19, 2017 at 8:05 am #33401Grichuk and O’Neil both reached Triple A by 22 years old. Their stats are virtually the same or extremely similar. Its not lazy, its called using your eyes to read the stats and scouting reports. Not doing so is truly lazy.
September 19, 2017 at 8:55 am #33413bccran
ParticipantThanks very much, Derek. 5 out of 20 in a 16 team league is pretty strong. Especially since it doesn’t include O’Neill. It will be interesting to see who we have in the Texas League Top 20. Hudson?
Gomber? Alcantara? Mercado? Adolis Garcia?September 19, 2017 at 11:59 am #33425PadsFS
ParticipantO’Neill’s walk rate makes him a lot different than Grichuk. Their overall power may be similar (MiLB SLG% of .503 vs. .508), but Grichuk had a minor league OBP of .320, which dropped to .296 in the MLB. O’Neill has a .341 OBP in the minors and put up a .385 in the AFL. He will be a lot more consistent I believe.
September 20, 2017 at 8:35 am #33510The TL Top 20 featured six prospects from Springfield: No. 4 Flaherty, No. 9 Sierra, No. 10 Hudson, No. 11 Garcia, No. 14 Mercado, and No. 20 Alcantara.
September 20, 2017 at 8:45 am #33514bccran
ParticipantSmaller league than the PCL, but very impressive. Thanks very much for posting, Derek.
September 20, 2017 at 12:07 pm #33539PadsFS
ParticipantThat’s Adolis Garcia, not Anthony, right?
September 20, 2017 at 12:10 pm #33540PadsFS
ParticipantOne thing that worries me about Bader is his splits.
In 2016, he had a .671 OPS vs. RHP and a 1.164 OPS vs. LHP.
Then in 2017, he had a .679 OPS vs. RHP and a 1.262 OPS vs. LHP.
(Also, very limited ML time, .518 OPS vs. RHP and 1.412 OPS vs. LHP)
I was hoping those numbers would improve in 2017 at AAA, but they’ve seemed to get even worse.
Luckily, they went out and got a LH OFer in Tyler O’Neill to potentially platoon with him.
O’Neill, though, had a 2016 OPS of .915 vs. RHP and .780 vs. LHP, while his 2017 OPS was .786 vs. RHP and .880 vs. LHP.
At least he’s not similarily RH like Grichuk, Piscotty, Pham, and Martinez.
September 20, 2017 at 12:14 pm #33542Good info Pads. Sounds like a platoon candidate (with Sierra?). The problem is despite all our depth, we have very few LH bats.
September 20, 2017 at 1:13 pm #33548Yes, that is Adolis, not Anthony (if he is still a prospect).
September 21, 2017 at 3:22 am #33595PadsFS
ParticipantSo Flaherty doubled up on the awards too. I wonder if anyone else will do that.
September 28, 2017 at 8:08 am #34416Helsley is the only Cardinals prospect who cracked the FSL Top 20, placing at No. 10.
September 28, 2017 at 9:21 am #34429bccran
ParticipantThanks, Derek. Not surprising, but was hoping Arozarena or Woodford might make it.
September 28, 2017 at 2:26 pm #34443Not surprising Arozarena and Woodford didn’t make it. FSL was loaded this year in terms of talent, especially in the later part of the season once Vladdy Jr. and Bichette arrived.
September 28, 2017 at 2:41 pm #34449bccran
ParticipantI may be wrong, but didn’t Woodford have the lowest ERA of any starter in the FSL?
September 28, 2017 at 2:50 pm #34451Only 13 pitchers were in the FSL long enough and threw enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. Seems pretty likely that Helsley would have won had he not been promoted, for example. He was only 18 innings short. Perhaps the same for Gallen, who dominated there before his move up, but he did not stay as long. (Commercial: More coming in our Palm Beach Starter of the Year article coming in a few days.)
Of course, current year ERA is only one element in prospect status, anyway.
September 28, 2017 at 6:45 pm #34477Since the BA keague prospect rankings are usually heavier on potential and prohection over performance, the guy I am really surprised got left off the FSL list was Hicks.
September 29, 2017 at 9:52 am #34544Hicks will almost certainly make the MWL Top 20 coming out in the next few days.
September 30, 2017 at 12:02 pm #34728BA named Dakota Hudson their Texas League Pitcher of the Year. (The league itself had already bestowed their same award on him.)
http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017-texas-league-top-20-prospects/
September 30, 2017 at 12:26 pm #34729bccran
ParticipantThat’s pretty strong. Is he ready to compete for that 5th spot in the rotation in 2018? Is he a more complete pitcher than Gant or Flaherty right now? Should he take a turn in the bullpen first to break him in?
Waino
Martinez
Wacha
Weaver
?September 30, 2017 at 12:34 pm #34730Imo hudson needs another year… Or half year.
Flaherty might need another half year as well.
But having said that… We do need someone. Not sure if a one year stopgap veteran is the right move or not.
September 30, 2017 at 12:56 pm #34732bccran
ParticipantGant might be the guy. I didn’t know he threw in the mid 90s.
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