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Brian – I don’t think that Burleson is exceptional – yet.
I just don’t understand why he hasn’t been highlighted more
because of the season he had at Memphis. He seems like a bit of an afterthought to 25, Forsch, and others when compared to Gorman, Yepez, Walker, Winn, etc. I have a feeling that the Cardinals view him with a little higher esteem than those posters. They Cards like his low K rate and his high contact rate matched with his power.One of the last players that I touted a bit was Arozarena, also because of the season he had at Memphis. Was sorry to see him traded.
You seemed to tout Randy more after he was traded than while he was a Cardinal! I guess Burly is your guy this year.
Bc, a lot of the ones you have discounted had about half the plate appearances as Burleson. BTW, why didn’t you discount Arozarena? Also, your own comment was seasons that were ANYWHERE close. Some of them far outperformed Burleson in some of the categories but were short on others.
I don’t need to tout Burleson. That is being done by enough posters already. I am trying to temper the hype.
I hope Burleson can put up those numbers in the majors. However, there have been a lot of prospects who hit in AAA that didn’t in the majors. Even MLB.com just put him in the 80s of their top 100 prospects. He wasn’t in there before.
Forsch – I actually did point out that Arozarena was in the same category in my first post on this thread about Burleson. Check it out.
Brian – I’m sorry, but I was touting Arozarena in a big way long before the trade. His AAA numbers were eye popping, and continually pointed them out.
The two main prospects that I’ve touted over the past few years have been Arozarena and Burleson. The other two who I think are special right now are Gorman and Walker.
Bc, you must have misunderstood. You said Arozarena qualifies but he has fewer home runs and a lot less RBIs. Then you say some of the others examples I have given don’t qualify because of less home runs or RBIs. Which is it?
Brian – I’m sorry, but I was touting Arozarena in a big way long before the trade. His AAA numbers were eye popping, and continually pointed them out.
That’s interesting, because as I was beating the Randy Arozarena drum for our 2019 prospect voting (voted him at #9 and again at #11 when he wasn’t selected, I see you didn’t vote for him in the 8-10 or 11-15 round…?
bccran voted #8-10:
Helsley
Nunez – Position player of the year, DSL.
Cedeno – All-Star, rookie team level – all leaguesbccran voted #11-15:
Woodford
Thomas
Edman
Baker
GingeryI do recall you commenting on Randy when he came up to the big leagues with Tampa and tore it up. In hindsight…he’s been about what Carlson, Bader and O’Neill have been at the big league level. Not bad for his prospect status.
Forgive me for sticking my nose in, 25, but I think Cranny was saying he loved Arozarena when Randy was killing AAA for the Cards. And that would’ve been during the 2019 season. The community prospect list you cite would’ve been prior to 2019, since Tommy Edman was still a prospect.
Anyway, I just think Burley is limited by his relative weakness versus southpaws (unlike Noot & Donovan for example), and unimpressive fielding/baserunning. But I do believe he’ll hit if given 5-6 starts per week in the majors…which of course he won’t be given because the Cards have too many good DH types. It’s kind of a problem.
I was indeed beating the drum for Arozarena before he was traded. In 2019, before being promoted to the big club, he slashed .358/.435/.594/1.028 at Memphis. He had 12 home runs in only 64 games – 248 plate appearances (after doing well at Springfield that season and being promoted to AAA). Run that out to the number of PAs that Burleson had, 25. You’ll see my point. It’s comparing apples to apples.
According to Baseball Reference for 2022 vs LHP Burly’s line .326/.376/.434/.810. Almost all of that would be in AAA as he had only 3 PAs vs LHP in MLB.
Thanks, BB. I was wondering where people were coming up with the concept that he’s weak against LH pitching.
bc, now that I know the ground rules a little better, let’s normalize the counting stats to 470 plate appearances for ALL the examples I gave you:
Edman (2019) – 15 home runs, 63 RBIs
O’Neill (2018) – 44 HRs, 108 RBIs (24.9% K rate)
Ravelo (2018) – 15 HRs, 79 RBIs
Voit (2017) – 20 HRs, 77 RBIs
Hazelbaker (2015) – 20 HRs, 93 RBIs
Pham (2014) – 12 HRs, 53 RBIs
Brock Peterson (2013) – 23 HRs, 80 RBIs
Matt Adams (2012) – 31 HRs, 85 RBIs
Tyler Greene (2011) – 22 HRs, 67 RBIs
Matt Carpenter (2011) – 11 HRs, 62 RBIs
Mark Hamilton (2010) – 28 HRs, 92 RBIs
Mark Hamilton (2009) – 20 HRs, 62 RBIs
Allen Craig (2009) – 23 HRs, 76 RBIs
David Freese (2008) – 24 HRs, 84 RBIs
Joe Mather (2008) – 31 HRs, 76 RBIs
John Gall (2003) – 15 HRs, 68 RBIsForsch – I still don’t think any player beats Burly when you look at all the stats. If you want to make a case that a good showing at AAA doesn’t guarantee success at the major league level, I completely understand.
bc, I never set out to prove that any player BEATS Burleson. Your original question was:
Let me ask a question. How many Cardinal prospects over the years have put up AAA numbers anywhere close to Burleson?
That’s what I did. I provided you a list of players that had seasons that were close to Burleson.
No way Mo wants another Arozarena debacle. Burly isn’t going anywhere for now. He will get a longer look in MLB. I consider his potential anywhere from situationally useful for a few years to middle of the order mainstay, pretty much like my opinion of Walker, although I recognize Walker will probably be better.
Walker sure does bring a lot to the table. Not only is he big and strong, he can run fairly well and has a good arm.
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