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Seems like O’Neil’s time with the Cards started getting tense when he lost his arb case. Had a rough ST and never really got the year going. Hope that doesn’t repeat itself with Tommy!
Did Helsley get traded after he took the team to a hearing? Flaherty did but only much later and probably not due to arb prior. There is no reason to suspect this would lead to a trade. If Edman leaves eventually it will be because they
think can replace him with a cheaper player. That is not now. So, why create negatives without evidence?This is how the process works. Since Edman believes he is worth the money, it is good he is going for it. If he wins, good for him. If he loses, hopefully he will accept it and play on. He doesn’t seem to be the kind of person to let it bother him either way. Of course, we will ask him about it this weekend.
Teams win more arb cases than the players, historically about 60%. Read parts of an Ivy Leaguer’s thesis that said this might show arbiters’ bias to the owners. Then, later in the thesis, said a review of numbers showed maybe the owners should have one 70% of the time, thus a possible arbiter’s bias to the players. Haha, I hope none of it was plagiarized!
That they are squabbling with Edman over $450,000 is pretty pathetic on the part of ownership….they will probably spend $50 grand or more on an attorney to argue the arbitration hearing
It’s not about what Edman is worth on the market. The Union and MLB have mutually agreed on an arbitration process that defines what a player should be paid.
Ha jnevel, if Marvin Miller were alive and read this, he might give you a good scolding to say it’s not about market worth, hehe! At the time, Miller believed salary arbitration was the union’s single biggest achievement in bringing player salaries toward their market worth.
Yep, it’s not the free agent market, but it is a market. It’s the arbitration market. It’s not 30 bids to select from, but it is one forced plausibly fair market offer. Otherwise, the owner will lose. Player salaries skyrocket when they go from pre-arb to arb1. The percent increase is more there for many players than it is when they reach free agency.
Maybe it’s just a semantical thing, but the arb process does not define “what” a player should be paid. It defines “how” a choice is made between the two figures of the two parties. Both figures can be a very bad reflection of market value and in bad alignment with the arbitration criteria. You just don’t want to be the party submitting the worse bad figure.
The criteria include player performance, career contributions, comparative salaries of similar players (position, experience, performance, etc.) and player physical/mental defects. That’s market stuff.
We know the team is worried about revenue and therefore about expense. $6.5 is what MLBTR estimated so it does not appear to be unreasonable. Who can say whether Edman is worth another $450,000? It will be up to the arbitrator to make that determination.
I don’t blame the team for not rolling over any more than I would blame Edman for wanting the higher number. They are using the system as it was intended.
Yet in 2 years if he has good #’s ownership will be clamoring for a home team discount in his free agent year yet they want to fight over $450,000 when the team probably had a profit of over $100 million this past year
Even if they did make $100M, that’s less than 4% on a $2.55 billion dollar investment. They should sell the franchise and buy CDs that pay 4.5%.
I know the Cardinals run the risk of upsetting poor Tommy Edman by expecting him to play for a measly $6.5M for working all season long. To make matters worse, it follows the 2023 season when he had to work for an embarrassing $4.2M. Even if the arbitrator rules in favor of the Cardinals, the Cardinals should recant, and give the poor guy that extra $450,000.00. I’m sure it’s the bean counters fault. They’re, no doubt, telling the front office something like ‘Look…. $450,000.00 here, $450,000.00 there…it adds up’. But that’s their job, I guess.
That is not now. So, why create negatives without evidence?
Sure seems that way. I can see a trade and I doubt Edman will be a Cardinal come opening day.
TWIC or BW….Just a little cynicism. Some people here are still dangling Edman out there as trade bait. Stop it.
If you’re a team trying to win championships and you are worth over 2.5 billion with close to $400 million in revenues a year you shouldn’t be sweating $450,000 to a key player on the current roster.
If you’re that careful with money where else are you cutting corners:
Training and medical staff…they seemed to have a ton of injuries last year in the outfield, maybe just a coincidence or maybe not
Coaching staff….they actually had an NCAA assistant women’s softball coach as one of their assistant hitting coaches last year at the Major League Level…have they just replaced Maddux with a cheaper option at pitching coach (Maddux seemed to have a good year with the Rangers staff)
Player Development in the minors
Scouting
My point is that I don’t feel sorry for anybody who’s a multimillionaire while still under the age of 30. I admit that I’m somewhat resentful of a player, who might strike out three times and who might miss a play or two, but still gets to collect $40,000* for stopping by the ballpark for a few hours.
(*$6.5M paid divided by 162 games played….about $40,000)BTW, we, the fans, are the enablers for MLB’s warped economy. It’s not the owners or the agents or the players.
Cardinals and Edman have agreed to a two-year contract. Money not yet available. All the worrying went for naught. I bet everyone is happy (except for GameCard, who surely wanted more years!).
Tommy Two Bags!
We have signed INF/OF Tommy Edman to a two-year contract extension, avoiding arbitration.#ForTheLou pic.twitter.com/c3IhLA160R
— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) January 22, 2024
Some don’t like it, but the arbitration process works, which is why the owners and Players Association agreed to keep using it.
The #stlcards and starting center fielder Tommy Edman are not going to an arbitration hearing, after all. The two sides agreed to a contract that will cover 2024 and 2025, his final two years prior to free agency. (free) https://t.co/j5gy64FRKu pic.twitter.com/ORvQYL4M1h
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 22, 2024
The Cardinals were entirely aware that two things were never in doubt…One of those things is that the Cardinals were going to offer up a contract to Tommy Edman. The other is that if this case were to linger to the point of being placed in the hands of an arbitrator to decide, the arbitrator was going to decide in the favor of Tommy Edman…Haha!
Next 8 yr contract. Will never understand the fascination with “Eddie” but to each his own. Maybe he will be traded next year. I can hope anyway.
The stark fact is that the arbitration process is an incredibly simple concept that is entirely fair and impartial for both sides of a dispute. It’s normally the case that the most simple things almost always work beautifully.
Tommy Edman gets a two-year, $16.5 million deal from the Cardinals, per source, as the two sides avoid arbitration. Edman is slated to reach free agency at the end of the deal.
Yeah, looks like $7M in ’24 and $9.5M in ’25. Not too bad of a haul for little Eddie when you consider that he filed for a little under $7M per…Haha! Maybe when the Redbirds realized they needed both a SS and CF’er it threw off the bead counts on their abacus. His agent ought to ask for 8 more years while Johnny and Billy Jr. are still disoriented from the Matt Carpenter signing…
All jokes aside, you could do a lot worse than the amount of money the Cardinals committed to Tommy Edman to cover their backsides at both the CF and SS positions for the next two seasons.
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