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June 4, 2023 at 12:16 pm #223233
There you go, Kniz showing the kids how its done. 2-1.
June 4, 2023 at 12:39 pm #223235Seems like a ton of guys are playing out of position and the defense is suffering some.
At the plate, playing good fundamental small ball baseball is not to be found. Sure 3 run taters are great but swing for those when ahead or behind. Not in a tight game where squeezing a run or two across the plate may make all the difference.
Team seems confused and discombobulated from top to bottom….
June 4, 2023 at 12:42 pm #223236Ollie goes with the gloves outfield here in the 8th. Ha ha.
June 4, 2023 at 12:45 pm #223237Heading to the 9th down by 1. The pitching kept us in it. Good work.
June 4, 2023 at 12:54 pm #223238Well that’s it. 2-1. Nice pitching. Otherwise, wasted chances. No concept of situational hitting. Losers being losers. Congrats to Baker.
June 4, 2023 at 12:54 pm #223239Another exercise in Cardinal futility.
June 4, 2023 at 12:54 pm #22324014NyquisT
ParticipantNope… just didn’t have it today. The game started too early.
June 4, 2023 at 12:57 pm #22324110:30 AM or any other time doesn’t matter. These dudes are giving us a long dark summer of futility. Now need to win 60 of 102 to reach 85 wins. The next three are gonna be a huge challenge.
Enjoy your Sunday folks, it’s free the rest of the way.
June 4, 2023 at 12:58 pm #223242Switched to a new thread
June 4, 2023 at 12:59 pm #223243Yikes. Swept by the Pirates.
Back to 10 games under.
Teams that change the trajectory of their season generally do so because of some sort of dramatic change.
New manager, star comes back from injury, big trade.
I see none of these things happening this year for StL.
So, I guess ride it out with what we have and they either get it together – or they don’t.
There is absolutely nothing going good for this team right now and it’s probably too late for 2023.
June 4, 2023 at 1:11 pm #223247Glad I didn’t watch this one. Swept by Pittsburg, now on to a tough series at Texas. Sometimes you have to fire someone just to make a point. If the FO is serious about winning (but I’m actually doubtful about that) they would make a move now. 10 under .500 and trending worse for a talented team is a good time for a new manager.
June 4, 2023 at 1:15 pm #223248Poor start from our starter, Poor start to a series and our starter couldn’t go 6 innings. These are mostly the reasons this team is where it is.
June 4, 2023 at 1:20 pm #223250Well folks, I think it’s time. Marmol just does not have it. Although I did not see today’s game, the club has not looked ready, nor shows much enthusiasm. They reflect their manager, who gazes on without having any idea of why these guys can’t seem to win. That game Friday was, as I called it before, the “back breaker.” Before this thing gets too far out of hand, we need to do something quick.
The guy we should turn to is Stubby. He seems like a higher energy guy, and has had great success in AAA. Let’s give him a shot, but let him run with it. No meddling from the geeks upstairs. I would love to see Mo be non-ego guy and tell the Stubster, “Shorty, we are giving you the reigns to run the field management as you see fit. We will consult on player decisions, but the day-to-day game management is yours. Let’s get after it!”
June 4, 2023 at 1:21 pm #223251Man, that outfield defense is scary. Not a true MLB outfielder in the bunch. Quite a drop off from a couple of years ago when we had O’Neill, Bader and Carlson chasing down long drives. Hopefully we pile up a bunch of runs.
We still have 2 of those guys. They’re just injured and mentally and physically weak.
You got to wonder if the guys in the dugout overseeing this are going to officially feel some heat. 3-7 in the last 10 and losing record at home.
June 4, 2023 at 1:23 pm #223252I would love to see Mo be non-ego guy and tell the Stubster, “Shorty, we are giving you the reigns to run the field management as you see fit. We will consult on player decisions, but the day-to-day game management is yours. Let’s get after it!”
Bwhahaha! Yeah right! That control freak bowtie would never.
June 4, 2023 at 1:24 pm #223254I’m not holding my breath for Ollie to get canned. That could blow up in Mo’s face in a huge and public way, depending on how Marmol decided to play it. Everyone knows Marmol is basically a marionette and the strings are being pulled this way and that from upstairs. Firing him would be admitting failure of the system. So Mo would have to come up with some kind of story how its Ollie’s fault and not his. Ollie might not keep his mouth shut and go along with it. I have a feeling the media would take his side. Some folks no longer here might chime in. It could be the mother of all dumpster fires.
June 4, 2023 at 1:25 pm #223255The leadoff double leading to nothing in the first set the stage for the game. They zig when they should zag. I’m not sure what they do at this point other than blow it all out like the Rangers did one year ago. But I just don’t think the ownership has the nads to do it.
June 4, 2023 at 2:06 pm #223262I don’t think sacking the Cardinal manager would at all risk a PR hit. It’s my view it would have the opposite effect and restore fan confidence in the sense that the Cardinal bosses were taking action to change the direction in which the team is headed. Public relations aside, something has to be done and the first step, like always, is to change managerial leadership. The team is performing horribly under his leadership and dispatching him is perfectly justified at this juncture. It’s not at all similar to the peculiar situation that was presented when Schildt was fired. Whether it’ll do any good or not, no one knows. But I’ve been convinced for some time that these players don’t want to play for this manager. He has to go and he should have been gone weeks ago. If they’re at all worried about PR, they can immediately improve their standing in that area by sacking the Redbird manager.
June 4, 2023 at 2:33 pm #223265Well said, 1TD. I doubt many in the fan base of the Cardinals would complain if the manager were let go. I also think it would be a positive PR move. The best thing the club can do from a PR stand point is start winning. Making a switch in managers is the only thing that can be done right now to possibly change the course of things. But they need to put Stubby in charge, not McEwing. McEwing would be following the same playbook that have used for the last two managers.
It may not matter and we could still keep losing anyway, but sitting on your hands while the season goes down the drain is not exactly good PR. I don’t think the Phillies were too worried about their PR when they gave Girardi the heave-ho last year.
June 4, 2023 at 3:02 pm #223270Yeah, if you think about it, the easiest thing to do for an instant boost in PR ratings is to announce a managerial change. No one will question why, simply because the answer is as glaringly obvious as the W/L record and placement in the standings. The only question may be, why not sooner? And he’s not going to say anything, and even if he does, who cares? He has no credentials.
June 4, 2023 at 3:28 pm #223274Agree canning Marmol would be more positive than negative. He’s young and wants a MLB career so he won’t complain too much. If he’s smart, he’d say there’s a lot of people to blame, but since he’s manager, it falls on him. I don’t see any outward hostility towards him from the players (save the O’Neal situation) but hard to tell what’s happening in the clubhouse. It does look like they’re in need of someone to rally around.
June 4, 2023 at 4:24 pm #223279Nothing said about Albert in the broadcast booth. How did that go?
June 4, 2023 at 4:36 pm #223283I think what bling posted about changing managers is spot on correct. If you move to your fourth manager in five years some of the fans might figure out that the basic problem is elsewhere.
Regardless, the front office may literally be forced to make a change if we keep losing at this clip. It might result in a short term bolt of energy but the long term issues will still remain.
June 4, 2023 at 4:39 pm #223286A little too much about Albert and not enough commentary/analysis of the game, unless, of course, that was the point of it all to start with.
June 4, 2023 at 4:45 pm #223287Sounds right CiF.
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