2023 StL Game #38: Wednesday, May 10 at Cubs

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    1toughdominican
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    I don’t think so either, Willie. Little hard to close the gap when when the gap widens 4 innings in a row.

    #220056
    stlcard25
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    Wonder why the Cardinals never gave Wisdom much of an opportunity?

    They didn’t seem to have a place for him necessarily. At this point it’s fair to wonder how often a team of ex Cardinals that they’ve let go through trades or free agency would beat the current team? Facing Alcantara and Gallen to start would likely put us 0-2 against them.

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    Marilyn Green
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    Contreras screwed up our pitchers again….., oh wait

    #220058
    Ratsbuddy
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    Does Dylan Carlson’s .226 batting average worry anybody besides me?

    #220061
    1982 willie
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    I’ve never been a big fan of Carlson that others have. I know he was highly touted but to me hes always been about average. A solid player but thats about it.

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    ZTR
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    ok, took the series from the Cubs but two steps forward and 1 step back…. On to Boston and the Cardinals have to show up and win that series as well.

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    Brian Walton
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    Alcantara and Gallen are very different from Wisdom. The latter was released and outrighted multiple times by at least three different clubs other than the Cardinals before sticking with the Cubs. Kudos to him for persevering, but we should not be hard on the Cards for him finally having some MLB success elsewhere.

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    1toughdominican
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    Yeah, on to Boston for the start of 19 straight games without a day off. You’d almost have to think something like that would be a violation of child labor laws.

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    858booyah
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    Wonder why the Cardinals never gave Wisdom much of an opportunity?

    Do you really think he continues this reign of terror or he reverts to the 200K, low obp and defensively liability that he really is?

    He looks grand doesn’t he. Since that homer outbursts vs. the Dodgers and first game against the A’s he’s clubbing a .194 BA and a .776 ops with 4 homers.

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    Does Dylan Carlson’s .226 batting average worry anybody besides me?

    It sure worried Oli and Co. When he was basically removed from the lineup for about a month late last season.

    He really needs to get it going but I don’t think he can’t give us what we expect. Might be time to just call him what he is which about a league average bat who is lucky we don’t have a CF who can overtake him in OF that can hit better currently on the active roster or overtake him from the minors.

    I mean he’s got 2 plus seasons of AB’s under his belt. The light could go on and cue the excuse he’s 24 but he’s not looking like .800 ops hitter we were told he could become.

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    Giving up 14 hits and 6 walks is a sure way to bring a winning streak to a screeching halt. I think the catcher narrative is taking on some water, but we will see.

    Trading your starting center fielder is a big decision and you have to be sure you have a solid Plan B. The brass found out last year that they over estimated Carlson. He got worse from 2021 to 2022, and so far is worse again. He hit .236 last year so its not like the current .226 has come out of nowhere. The he’ll be fine crowd will continue to hope and pray though, that is a sure thing.

    You have to trade something good to get something worthwhile. We need to keep that in mind when we are hoping Mo will do this and that at the deadline. Extra parts will not get us what we need. Some defensively limited outfielders, second tier prospects and super UTs for a top shelf starter with team control is not going to happen. It took our everyday gold glove center fielder to get Montgomery, just keep that in mind.

    Speaking of Bader, he’s not old but he’s not a kid any more. His style of play out there so far does not factor that in. But his success depends on it, so the staying on the field issue seems like it only going to get worse. Kind like with O’Neill. At least with Bader it is not our problem. The flip side is Bader at least has to do something to get hurt, unlike O’Neill, who seems to get hurt just standing there.

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    I guess what happens at the deadline depends on how it goes from here.

    Sell off, stand pat, dumpster dive?

    It’s still all on the table.

    I just don’t see how to fix the starting pitching either this season or next season for that matter.

    We really need a #1, a #2, and a #3. I figure you can always get a #4 and #5 someway, somehow but …..

    We are completely wasting Goldschmidt and Arenado. If it takes 2 years to revamp the starting rotation then you’ve completely missed Goldschmidt’s best years.

    Next year we’ll likely have Mikolas and Matz to build around. There is your #4 and #5 – I guess. Flaherty, Montgomery, and Wainwright are all likely out of here.

    You got Liberatore to bring up but how good will he be?

    It’s a real mess for sure and the margin for error on any personnel decisions going forward is razor thin.

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    Wonder why the Cardinals never gave Wisdom much of an opportunity?

    Wisdom was never given much of a chance here which is puzzling. For an organization that prides itself on building from within with cheap components sometimes they literally give away players for nothing like Wisdom and Adolis Garcia.

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    I guess what happens at the deadline depends on how it goes from here.

    Sell off, stand pat, dumpster dive?

    It’s still all on the table.

    I am still in the sell off camp even though I know it won’t happen. A modest three game win streak hasn’t convinced me the season has been turned around especially since we literally don’t have a starter who can give us more than five innings.

    Having said that, since the NLC is so weak, if the Cardinals can get anywhere close to .500 I could see Mo trying to save face by justifying a dumpster dive for a couple of veteran arms on expiring contracts which is his modus operandi.

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    gscottar
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    Does Dylan Carlson’s .226 batting average worry anybody besides me?

    It isn’t great but at least he can catch the ball. The Barnum & Bailey Ringling Brothers act we had going in the OF earlier in the year was very annoying.

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    bicyclemike
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    Does Dylan Carlson’s .226 batting average worry anybody besides me?

    It is a concern given that he has not hit much for a year now. However, he has the athleticism and excelled in the minors, which for me means I would play him regularly this season and see how he does. Getting into a regular routine where he is in center field every day, whether he is hitting well or not, should show us if he is going to be a good player, or pedestrian. Plus it gives him a chance to relax and play. If he is constantly shuffled around, playing 3 games, sitting 2 games, etc, then we will never know what we have.

    What puzzles me a little on Wisdom is he came up before we had Arenado. Seems like we had an opportunity at third base, but he never was given much of a shot. He’s not exactly a superstar by any means and does swing and miss a lot, but still he has been a decent player.

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