2023 StL Game #115: Wednesday, August 9 at Tampa Bay Rays

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    Brian Walton
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    5:40 p.m.
    RHP Dakota Hudson (2-0, 4.10) vs. LHP Jalen Beeks (2-3, 6.27)
    BSM // KMOX
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    #230982
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    Unless the Cardinals can somehow find a way to avoid another loss to a very good Tampa team in their own ballpark, they’ll sink to a season low 17 games below sea level.

    #230983
    blingboy
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    Hopefully Oli learned a leason, if a pitcher is rolling don’t take him out just because an outfielder gets turned around and plays an out into a triple. Its not like we’ve got a stable of world beaters out there.

    #230990
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    Marmol had an extremely quick hook all year. He has relaxed quite a bit since the trade deadline and has allowed starters more rope to work out of 4th-7th inning jams.

    Marmol is probably pretty much who he is as a manager and I think he’s average on his best day. I don’t particularly like some of the lineup construction but with enough good hitters the players can overcome that.

    It’s his management of the pitching staff from top to bottom that is most disturbing to me – and I doubt he changes at this point.

    #231000
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    I keep wondering if Goldschmidt is ever going to do anything the rest of the year. Every time he comes to bat anymore I always say outloud to my TV:

    “WELL, HERE COMES ANOTHER LITTLE WEAK GROUND BALL OR ANOTHER LITTLE WEAK POP FLY..”

    #231003
    Cardinal in France
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    Is it my imagination or does Goldy swing and miss at an extraordinary rate?

    #231007
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    Regardless of my view of his character, his managerial record is 142-134 with a .514 W/L pct. and that W/L record ultimately defines who he currently is as a manager which at this point is a bit above average. However, that record has steadily been on the decline since the end of Sept. of ’22 and it’s my best guess that it will continue to do so until season’s end. In my view, baseball more than any other team sport, is a game in which the laws of average eventually emerge to the forefront to impact the final outcome and those laws will soon expose the current Redbird manager to be what I believe to be a horrible Big League manager. By this season’s end, it’s my best guess his overall managerial record will fall well below .500 and if the Cardinals once again falter to start the ’24 season, he’ll be sacked, gone and never to be heard of again before it’s once again too late to change course. But who knows? The Cardinals could suffer numerous devastating losses in the remaining 22 days of August that will undoubtedly help them to play well in the month of September…”I’ll tell you that!”

    #231008
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    Is it my imagination or does Goldy swing and miss at an extraordinary rate?

    Swinging strike was 9.9% in 2021 ans 2022. It’s 10.5% this season. Chase % is up less than 1%. Contact % in 2021 was 71.6%, 2022 wad 67.7%, and this season is 67.6%. His hard hit % is up slightly from last season too.

    #231009
    blingboy
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    Here is the problem. Second half batting line (after all star break) with Edman season batting line for comparison.

    Goldschmidt .242/.337/.363/.699. 21% K rate
    Tommy Edman .238/.304/.388/.692 16% K rate

    So, after the AS break, Goldschmidt has been Tommy Edman at the plate, except with less power and more strike outs.

    #231012
    blingboy
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    DH L. Nootbaar L
    1B P. Goldschmidt R
    3B N. Arenado R
    2B Nolan Gorman L
    C W. Contreras R
    RF J. Walker R
    LF A. Burleson L
    CF D. Carlson S
    SS Tommy Edman S

    #231014
    blingboy
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    O’Neill out again

    #231017
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    Vs a lefty tonight and Marmol again isn’t shying away from the lefty vs lefty matchups. He’s treating Noot, Gorman and Burly as if they are everyday players, batting them first, cleanup and seventh.

    I don’t know how this plays out, but I love the approach. It’s an investment in their futures, regardless of who they play for next season.
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    “O’Neill out again”

    Mo’s boy. He traded for him and is personally invested.

    Burly and Tyler both have a .730 ops, and to my surprise, Burly has the higher slg% this season in a larger sample.

    #231018
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    Taking a gander at today’s out-of-town scoreboard:

    The Marlins score late and down the Reds 5-4 at Riverfront Stadium.

    Milwaukee plates two runs in the last of the 10th and win over the Brewers 7-6 at Miller Park.

    The Cubs and Mets are in a 0-0 tie early on at Shea Stadium.

    The Braves and Pirates are also scoreless at Three Rivers Stadium.

    And Watubi will be on the mound for the Angels tonight in Anaheim as the Giants are in town.

    #231019
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    The Orioles will probably be hoping Hudson and the Cardinals can somehow find a way to win at Tampa tonight. They’ll be hosting a very good Astros team as they try to maintain or extend their 1st place lead in the ALC with Jack Flaherty taking his second turn in an O’s uniform. The Orioles lost a tough one last night as their Godzilla-like closer Bautista proved to be mortal when he allowed 4 ER’s all coming on a GS tater in the visitor half of the 9th to squander a 3 run lead and the ballgame.

    #231025
    bicyclemike
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    This St. Louis club sure is bad. It seems we don’t hit much when the pitching is good. And the pitching is not good most of the time.

    I have not been tuning in much. The Rockies series was blacked out for me, and it kind of got me on a trend of skipping the games. But maybe I will dial it up for awhile tonight and see if there is some spark in the road club for a change.

    #231027
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    Productive out by Burly, and picks up an rbi, but the inning would have looked better with a crooked number.

    #231028
    blingboy
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    Before that homer, Contreras was back there with his knee out to the side and resting on his butt, instead of in a crouch. So, with that runner on second, what is he supposed to do if the ball gets away? The answer is watch the runner go to third, even if it only rolled 6 or 8 feet away. There is a reason he is not good back there. He apparently doesn’t even bother with the basics a catcher learns in little league. And of course, there is no one to call him on it.

    #231029
    blingboy
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    That was nice hitting by Goldy taking that slider the other way for the RBI hit. The second RBI came in because Edman had advanced 1st to 2nd on Noots fy ball. Good baseball all around.

    #231030
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    Bet that’s a weight off Goldys shoulders as he drives in two.

    #231031
    blingboy
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    He had swung through that same slider earlier in the AB.

    #231034
    blingboy
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    Romero on the mound caused me to see how Sosa is doing. 51 K, 5 BB. Wow. He’s been HBP (4) almost as much as he’s walked.

    #231035
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    Yeah, we really haven’t missed Sosa. Romero has been a godsend lately. Maybe it won’t last. But it’s not like we gave up much in that trade.

    #231036
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    By the way, Luken Baker now has 94 RBIs in 81 games with Memphis. He has 5 of them tonight. He also hit his 32nd homer tonight. I know we don’t really have a home for him. But man he has to be making us rethink that at least a little.

    #231037
    1toughdominican
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    That’s a lot of runs to push across in just 81 games and over the course of 162 translates into Hack Wilson territory.

    #231038
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    Nice win. Nice work by Jo Jo & Gio to close it out.

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