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  • #226372
    Gronky
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    Thanks for dropping this nugget!! Do you have any sense as to how hard he throws, or what type of pitcher (sinker/slider) he is?

    #226373
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    Given how poor the mlb teams is, I’m even more fixated on the amateur talent acquisitions this year. Any idea as to how much money was spent on this prospect? I guess I thought that they used all of thier remaining money on that Leon kid?

    #226452
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    I think they still had several hundred thousand dollars left. But I’m not sure what they spent here. Nor do I have any idea how hard he throws. But he seems interesting. They’ve been signing some really tall pitchers of late.

    #226456
    Brian Walton
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    95-98. Money unknown. There is an article about Lin for members on the front page.

    #226457
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    Who is the guy shaking the kid’s hand? And where was that photo taken, I see the photos on the wall?

    Since I am shakey on Chinese customs and conventions I have a question about the name. I had somehow thought the family name came first and the given name second. That seems to be wrong based upon usage in the article.

    I have no idea how serious baseball is set up in Taiwan. What is the MLB Draft League?

    Its going to be fun to follow this kid’s development and see what comes of that tall frame.

    #226464
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    Who is the guy shaking the kid’s hand? And where was that photo taken, I see the photos on the wall?

    Since I am shakey on Chinese customs and conventions I have a question about the name. I had somehow thought the family name came first and the given name second. That seems to be wrong based upon usage in the article.

    I have no idea how serious baseball is set up in Taiwan. What is the MLB Draft League?

    I believe the other guy in the photo is the scout who signed him.

    In Taiwan, people typically have two first names separated with a hyphen and a family name. The family does come first, but Chinese naming customs typically go out the window in the USA and other western nations for uniformity reasons.

    The MLB Draft League was established after MiLB downsized the number of affiliated teams. The league plays 80 games in the summer with the first 30 games featuring college players trying to boost their draft stock. The last 50 games are played by paid players who have no remaining amateur status. All 6 teams are former NY-Penn League teams.

    #226465
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    Thanks for the info Black. Good luck to the new guy.

    #226475
    Brian Walton
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    Bling asked:

    Who is the guy shaking the kid’s hand? And where was that photo taken, I see the photos on the wall?

    I labeled the photo in my article on the home page and his name and title is mentioned in it. It is Matt Slater, who is the special assistant to the GM who among other things, leads the team’s Asia initiatives.

    I think the photo was taken in a conference room in Jupiter.

    BHC perfectly explained the confusing name custom.

    The State College Spikes, the former Cardinals New York-Penn League affiliate, is one of the teams in the MLB Draft League (though he did not play for them).

    #226488
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    Thanks for more info. The tweet from the Cardinals said he would soon report to Jupiter, but the photo has Cardinals photos on the wall, so I was confused. I guess he is physically in Jupiter, but not actually reported yet.

    The MLB Draft League and the involvement of former NY-Penn teams is something I had previously been aware of, but I think the brain cells responsible for retaining that info reached their expiration date at some point. That occurs with alarming frequency.

    I remain curious about what Lin’s baseball experience consisted of in Taiwan, and how he made his way to the MLB Draft League. I guess it is really just curiosity about how serious youth baseball works there, and Lin navigating his way to end up in Jupiter.

    #226492
    Brian Walton
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    From the article, Lin pitched in the Under-23 World Cup for Taiwan for several years and also in the collegiate Northwoods League, so was noticed by MLB scouts there for sure. His results playing in college in Taiwan, I don’t know.

    He was trained by his uncle, a former MLB pitcher, and the press release mentioned two different agencies involved in his representation. So it seems he had a lot of navigation help.

    #226499
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    A little less heralded signing, but who knows? From MiLB transactions:

    07/04/23 – St. Louis Cardinals signed free agent RHP Guanchi Martinez to a minor league contract.

    #226624
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    Lin has been assigned to the FCL team.

    #228079
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    I understand that team records in the minors, especially low minors, don’t mean a whole lot. That said, the Cards FCL & DSL teams are dumpster fires!! Hopefully, it’s not as simple as “bad players make bad teams”. In this lost MLV season, I was really hoping for some “star” young player to develop. Maybe those on this board who know much more than I can assuage my concerns for the long-term prospects?

    On that subject, did thier 6’8″ DSL pitcher make his debut yet? If so, I missed it…

    #228164
    Brian Walton
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    Lin was finally just activated in the DSL today.

    Hard to tell about long-term prospects, but yes, the W-L records are subpar.

    #228165
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    Hopefully, it’s not as simple as “bad players make bad teams”.

    Fear not. Player acquisition and develpment are doing great. I heard it somewhere.

    #228173
    Brian Walton
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    The international program has not done well recently, which is a double disappointment since the two teams were narrowed into one.

    On the other hand, turning that into a generic all-encompassing slam of scouting and player development is neither warranted nor backed up with any facts. Rant on!

    #228208
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    Would this also be a generic all-encompassing slam of scouting and player development.

    DSL Cardinals 10-19
    FCL Cardinals 9-17
    Palm Beach 3-13
    Peoria 12-6
    Springfield 7-8
    Memphis 5-10

    Composite record 46-73, .386 win pct.
    For comparison, MLB Cards .430 win pct.

    #228218
    Brian Walton
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    No, that is a partial view which is inaccurate and misleading. Those are second half records for PB, Peo and Sgf, ignoring their first halves. Triple-A does not play halves so 5-10 for Memphis is not any more meaningful than quoting StL’s record after the All-Star Game.

    The correct aggregate record for the system currently is 189-205 (.480).

    #228237
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    Thank you for the update Brian! I may gave misspoke, I was referring to Reiner Lopez. Has he made his DSL debut yet?

    Since you mentioned the consolidation of the DSL teams from 2 to 1. Do you have any insights as to why they did that? Was it merely cost savings? Do you fear that with only one DSL team and significant yearly turnover, is there concern that the Cards may cut bait on players prematurely, due to a lack of in-game looks?

    #228247
    Brian Walton
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    No, Lopez has not played yet. I have never gotten a definitive answer as to why the second team was eliminated. What follows are my guesses.

    There is significant cost savings in having 35 fewer players and the associated staffs to support them. The record of the international program delivering major leaguers hasn’t been all that great, so if anyone was asked for a business case for investment, it may have been difficult to create.

    Yes, I have written about more players getting just two years or even less when in the past, many guys were given three or more years in the DSL. Perhaps some future stars will slip through the cracks, but there is no way to know for sure.

    One other point. The Cards have two rookie-level teams, one each in the FCL and DSL. Arizona and the Giants have four. 19 other organizations have three. That leaves nine systems with just two teams. The Cardinals are one of the nine.

    #228293
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    The Cards also haven’t made it a priority in signing higher ranked guys, but even when they do they trade them away in bad trades or just give them away. I’ve really despised how they treat the international signing period where they focus on getting lots of low ranked guys hoping one of them is a diamond in the rough instead of going after more of the higher ranked guys.

    For me, one of the guys they let get away was mostly from poor evaluation and giving up on them too soon. A guy like David Peralta comes to mind.

    #228295
    Brian Walton
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    To add onto that point, the table is much more level now than before.

    In the past, it was easier for deeper pocketed clubs to blow out their international signing budgets, which for example, is how Luis Robert got $26 million (plus a $26 million penalty to the White Sox). In today’s world, the most Robert could get would be about $6 million. And in that case, his team would now only be able to sign minimum dollar guys for the rest of that year.

    Last year, the Cards did spend big on one guy. The dropped about one-third of their budget on Jonathan Mejia, giving him $2 million. The jury is still out on him, however. Overall, they added just 14 signees. However, it must also be noted that at the same time, they were dropping the second DSL team so had excess players.

    This year, they have already signed 29.

    #228299
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    I dunno about Peralta. That feels like 20-20 hindsight. He was a low budget signing who was a poor pitcher in rookie ball. When released, he couldn’t get a professional contract with another organization. He had to reinvent himself as a hitter in independent ball with the perseverance to keep trying for three years to get back into affiliated ball when 99% of the guys in his situation would have retired. Kudos to him, but I don’t see how I can blame the Cardinals for not seeing that.

    My prediction is that with fewer levels in the minors, players are going to be released earlier and earlier so some future MLB contributors could slip through the cracks. In fact, with the draft down from 50 to 40 to 20 rounds now, many guys will never even get a shot as a professional. There are sure to be some Mike Piazzas in there.

    #228327
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    Thank you again for your informed insights & some speculation, Brian!

    I know for years (maybe 15-20 years ago), the Cards didn’t even really have a presence in Latin America. For a team that eschews high ticket free agents, and quickly reaches a “puke point” when attempting to trade for young stars (to teams that won’t accept 20 cents one the dollar in prospect value and/or in a salary dump), there really is only one way to acquire impact talent… the domestic draft or via the international market. According to Mo, picking in the 20’s means a lack of impact talent (domestically) available in Rd #1. In my admittedly uniformed opinion, L.A. is where the Cards should invest way more $$. 10-15 million more spent (per year) in Latin American infrastructure. scouting & support would seem to yield far more than that same 10-15 million spent on a mid-tier MLB relief pitcher. That’s how the Dodgers and others have a never ending supply of MLB caliber Latin players, supplementing their big ticket free agent spending.

    #228650
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    Saw this note about a prospect for the 2024 International class. I pulled this quote from the article below:

    The St. Louis Cardinals are the favorites to sign Cuban prospect Christian Saéz , several sources told Béisbol FR . Sáez left Cuba in 2021 looking for a professional firm that he seems to have found.

    The official signing will take place when the new international term begins on January 15, 2024. The signing bonus would be in the range of $150,000.

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