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April 10, 2021 at 7:02 pm #157676
Order has been restored, sadly. I was not able to catch today’s game and the team dropped to 1-3 in games I’ve missed. Still 4-0 when I’ve watched. Sounds like Carlos was OK til his last inning, then Webb threw the game away and the offense couldn’t catch up. Still, 11 hits will win you some ball games. Hopefully go win the series tomorrow.
April 10, 2021 at 8:14 pm #157679The STL win expectancy after Carlos retired the last batter in the top of the fifth was 16.4% (fangraphs).
This isn’t a knock on Martinez, that he was horrible. It’s more of a realization by WE that managers throw their when behind relievers at this point, and they’re not the best any pen has to offer. Todays game is a good example why it’s hard to make up the deficit (Webb, Miller), when your Reyes, Hicks, Gallegos and Cabrera when ahead relievers don’t enter the game.
Did Carlos keep us in the game? If the score had been 3-3, I’d say yes. But with 12 outs to go, down 3, the realization of which relievers Shildt will likely use comes into play. That’s as much on our lineup as it is on Carlos’ 5.40 ERA on the day.
MIL tried to error us back into the game, down only one after 6 full, enter Webb and Miller.
The lineup continued it’s late inning scoring trend, but we simply couldn’t outscore our pens runs allowed.
April 10, 2021 at 8:49 pm #157681Good point jj. On the other side of that coin, the Brewers being way ahead, our late inning offensive burst led by Dean came off a failed MLB reclamation project just back from a stint in Korea.
April 10, 2021 at 8:59 pm #157682bccranParticipantNot a major league ball player, BB.
April 10, 2021 at 9:18 pm #157683I didn’t see the Williams struck by a batted ball play as I was listening to the radio, but Rooney insisted Williams was in foul territory and therefore the home plate ump blew the play when he called Williams out. Rooney was also critical that the third base umpire apparently did not try to help get the call right.
The ball that hit off Williams’ glove later, I did see. He ran a long way, but that ball should have been caught. He overran it slightly.
April 10, 2021 at 9:32 pm #157685This start I see 2 ways by Carlos. He didn’t lose us the game but man it seemed like a lot of flyball outs from the innings I saw.
I saw him talking to Waino and Jack after the inning and maybe he needs to make adjustments a bit. He did get tagged by that liner in what I believe was the same inning. Idk man!
April 11, 2021 at 9:11 am #157694bling, good counterpoint from the MIL decision making. Before Yadi lead off the bottom of the eighth, the STL win expectancy (WE) was 0.3%
We had less than 1% chance of winning, which turned out to be correct. Mil could afford to throw a “reclamation project”, ahead 9-2, needing six outs for a win.
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Dean should start today, imo.April 11, 2021 at 9:34 am #157696A lopsided score gives players on both sides a chance to fatten up on mop up guys.
April 11, 2021 at 9:47 am #157697pitching still has some issues looks like hitting was a little better and it is early
April 11, 2021 at 9:56 am #157699BB, “fatten up” as we hope they will. Now look at those two innings of results.
Molina – single
Carlson – BB
Dean – HR
Williams – F8
Sosa – HBP
Edman – F5
Goldy – groundout
Arenado – popout
Knizner – single
Molina – K
Carlson – F7Not everyone fattened up, which is why we can’t downgrade Deans HR. Dean performing as we hoped shouldn’t be thought of negatively.
April 11, 2021 at 10:15 am #157701Brian Walton wrote:
I didn’t see the Williams struck by a batted ball play as I was listening to the radio, but Rooney insisted Williams was in foul territory and therefore the home plate ump blew the play when he called Williams out. Rooney was also critical that the third base umpire apparently did not try to help get the call right.
Disagree with Rooney. It was a borderline call. Could have gone either way. But McLaughlin and Thompson couldnt understand why Williams was even that close to the line in the first place.
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April 11, 2021 at 11:07 am #157709Williams was in fair territory, barely. It was the right call.
April 15, 2021 at 5:29 am #158164LeeParticipantWoodford needs more innings. He was awesome in spring and just
needs to get some time on the field. Sitting at the Alt camp is a waste. -
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