2017 MLB Game #109: Cards at Reds Fri Aug 4

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    Brian Walton
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    Mike Leake (7‐9, 3.29) vs. Asher Wojciechowski (1‐1, 4.50) 5:40 p.m. FOX Sports Midwest

    #29538
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    We need Leake to win one today. He should have a much better W/L record than 7-9 this year.

    #29568
    bicyclemike
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    A win yesterday would have put us at .500 at the 2/3rds mark of the season. With the apparent turmoil going on with this club, and rumors of displeasure with the manager and in-seasons changes already, it sort of takes me back to what went on with another under-performing club, the 1964 team.

    In that year of course, the Cardinals fired their GM in August, and had plans to fire the manager after the season ended. But in a bizarre twist of fate, the league leaders collapsed at the end and lost 10 straight, while the Cardinals won 8 straight and sneaked in to the World Series.

    I checked to see where the ’64 club was at the 108 game mark, and they were 57-51. That was on August 7th, and they were 7 games out and in fifth place. So while that club was 6 games over .500, they had a tougher road to the post season than this club.

    Still, there is nothing much to hang our hopes on that this team will make a run, or that the Cubs or Brewers will collapse. This Reds series is a must win, and you almost need a sweep to feel like there is enough life in this team to make a run.

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    #29589
    Brian Walton
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    Not being negative, but even if they sweep the last-place team this weekend, does it really say anything about their ability to pass the Brewers, a team they just lost a series to, or the Cubs?

    #29592
    Ratsbuddy
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    The reasoning behind Kelly in the #5 slot is……what???

    And whats the over/under on Grichuk striking out at least twice tonight?

    #29597
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    Because the 5th spot belongs to the catcher. He is just keeping it warm for Yadi.

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    Should we expect a nasty tweet or instagram post from Yadi tonight?

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    Ratsbuddy
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    Redbirds and Brewers get a break at Wrigley today. Cubs drop their 2nd straight, this one a 4-2 loss to the Nationals. Murphy a pair of dingers in this one. Maybe the Cubs will go on a losing streak and let us catch up to them, and Milwaukee as well.

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    The problem with the records remaining close is that it will only serve to reinforce the front office’s idea that they have the right guys on the team and make them that much more unwilling to sign any free agent of any real value or trade anybody…

    #29616
    CardsRedSox4Ever
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    As you are alluding to, that would say nothing about their ability to win the Div. This is an average team we want to see play like World Series Champs. It’s just not going to happen.

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    Ratsbuddy
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    Redbirds trail 3-1 in the 8th. Giancarlo Gyorko pinch-hit with two on and two outs in the 7th and, of course, struck out.

    Hard to believe this team is this bad offensively. But like Thom Brennaman said on the Reds broadcast tonight, most of the team is having an off year. He also said there is no big time homerun threat on the team nowadays either.

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    Ratsbuddy
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    And of course, Grichuk, who some want to be the new cleanup hitter, strikes out looking with the bases loaded and two outs, on a 3-2 pitch in the top of the 8th. His second K of the game.

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    EuroWolf
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    DeJong strikes out to end the game with the tying run on third. This team stinks up and down the lineup.

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    Ratsbuddy
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    Amen Euro. I am so sick and tired of watching this team strikeout all the time I am about to hurl.

    #29624
    EuroWolf
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    Haha. I need a clothespin and you need a barf bag to watch these games.

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    Logan:

    You are right on the button. Mo will spin the BS this winter as the reason for doing nothing and 2018 will be a repeat of 2017.

    #29628
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    2018 will certainly not be a repeat. Count on that. But this team needs to be shaken up badly. The competitive, hard 9 attitude just isn’t there with this bunch. Grichuk and Piscotty were the middle of the lineup hopes and they’ve flunked. Fowler was a poor signing. 2016 was his career year.
    Cecil’s career year was 2015. Another poor signing. Let’s just hope that Bader and O’Neill can
    step it up and Sierra arrives on the scene soon. And that Mo can land one or two true leadership guys over the winter.

    #29629
    colhusker
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    Well until they make the hitting coach do his freaking job, the approaches at the plate will not get better.

    #29630
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    bc:

    The roster is already set for the most part.
    Ist Carpenter
    2nd Wong
    SS Probably DeJong
    3rd Gyorko
    C Molina
    Left Pham
    Center Fowler
    Right Piscotty
    Lineup set

    Martiniez,
    Wanwright
    Leake
    Wacha
    Reyes
    Rotation set

    Rosenthal
    Lyons
    Cecil
    Bowman
    Sammy T
    Brebbia
    and whatever slugs they pick up to round out the bullpen.
    Roster already set for 2018 and Mo will say he is “excited” about this team in spring training.
    That will yield another lousy season in 2018
    This front office moves glacially to make changes and then when they do the changes suck.

    So, no, there will be no improvement from 2017 to 2018.
    What would motivate them do anything. Cardinal fans are sheep. 3.2 million will buy tickets next year if the Cardinals literally did nothing this winter and what they will do will be very close to literally nothing.

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    You’re not factoring in one thing.
    Bill Dewitt, Jr. hates to lose.

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    You couldn’t possible be more wrong. He doesn’t care one bit about losing. He wants to win of course but only on the cheap. Losing doesn’t bother him one bit and that’s the problem. We need owners who really do hate to lose. If he hated losing then he’d spend some of that 60 million of TV money and the 70 million profit every year.
    But I tell you what..we can run a test.
    If he really hates to lose as much as you say then this winter he will go “ALL IN” with BIG free agent signings and trades. He’ll burn up the winter meetings and grab all of the great talent.
    It will be interesting to see just how much he “hates” losing and we’ll know by the time Spring training starts.

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    I think 3rd and the 5th starter is anything but set with recent events.

    I mean would anyone be opposed to renting Donaldson next season for 2-3 prospects? We could really use a power bat and move Jedd back to his super sub inf role.

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    Ms – when you judge Bill Dewitt, Jr., take a look at the full body of work under his ownership. It’s at or near the top in all of MLB. He’s just as big a Cardinal fan as any poster on here, is a very sage and insightful owner, and, yes, he hates to lose. Believe it.

    #29655
    Brian Walton
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    Seems there are only two extremes in your (unrealistic) view of the world.

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