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July 1, 2018 at 12:09 am #58641
8:40 p.m. RHP Carlos Martinez (4-4, 3.22) vs. LHP Robbie Ray (3-0, 4.01) FOX Sports Midwest/KMOX
July 1, 2018 at 8:16 pm #58752On a good note – I guess – the D’Backs are reeling too. They just lost three straight to San Francisco, our next opponent.
Maybe we can sneak into Arizona and win two of three.
r/Rat
July 1, 2018 at 9:21 pm #58755Rats,
You realize San Francisco has a better record than the Cardinals?
July 2, 2018 at 9:08 am #58787eh… records right now dont mean much unless you are WAY ahead or WAY behind…i mean look at these Arizona DBacks…they were the talk of the town the first month…nothign coudl stop them…until it did and now they are back in the middle of the pack
also…the Cardinals and Nationals have the same record and both in 3rd in their division and I don’t here anyone saying the Nationals should be sellers and bring up all their kids…and calling out all their players as being has beens and never will be’s
If we played the Nationals right now im pretty sure everyone around here would see us as not having much of a shot despite the same record…
grass is always greener and July 1 standings are rarely the standings after the last day of the season
This Cardinals team has a lot of work to do…almost every aspect of the team needs to improve…it’s a lot to ask, but they have shown that they have it in them on all sides of the game (and to be honest the bullpen has been trending up for the last 3 weeks or so)
I do think they need a shake up though…maybe a couple..something to remind them that performance is what keeps them on the team not history etc. a few trades of Cardinals vets or fan favorites and throw in a coaching change like last year…probably Mabry
The team last year struggles like this too and while a lot of it had to do with injuries there were performance problems too…the injuries led to a lot of kids coming up and contributing….and the team started to come out of it’s fun
I think we have the kids to make a decided switch from poor defense to good defense with some bold trades…An infield of Carp1b,Wong,DeJOng,Wisdom would be a solid infield with Yadi behind the plate…Bader/Pham/ONeill in the outfield makes us better immediately in the outfield…especially when adding a Mercado to the bench….yeah moving Ozuna and Fowler and Gyorko and JMart woudl be difficult and bold…but is the offense they give more than the defense they give away (not all are poor defense)…
im babbling in the wrong thread…sorry
Late game for me on ET but ill be up for it!
Go Cards!
July 2, 2018 at 9:30 am #58797bccran
ParticipantGood ideas, except I would have Schrock at 2B.
July 2, 2018 at 9:49 am #58800I like the thought of Schrock at 2B.I would also trade Pham and bring Mercado up.Ozuna,Bade,rMercado/O`Neill/JMartinez getting OF time.Wisdom getting a shot,Carpenter at 1B,DeJong at SS,Munoz,Greg Garcia,Ravelo bench bats with Pena backup C.Voit has also turned it around at AAA powerwise and average wise.
To fix the roster crunch-Sherriff to 60 DL,Trade Pham for prospectTrade Fowler for whatever you can get.Addition by subtraction…after Mo`s calling out Dexter-Do-nothing i hope a move is coming soon.July 2, 2018 at 10:18 am #58804IMO i think Schrock needs a bit more seasoning…and his bat has cooled…but he coudl really push going into next year…i like contact bats
If you go for a defensive first team Wong has to be in it…regardless of the bat…he is GG leader at 2b IMO…that does count for something…saving runs instead of producing them isnt flashy but still works…plus his bat has shown last year to be good when it is going…i dont give up on him if defense is important
as for moving Pham…we COULD do that…but i think that might actually be selling TOO low on him…and his upside value both offensively and defensively is tough to project anyone else being able to match
i dont like his attitude a lot but selling low on him isnt worth it…and as much as i like Oneill, Bader, MErcado Aroazarena…none of them have done anythign at the major league level to prove they can provide the kind of value Pham can…i might be willing to roll the dice on 2 of the 4 working out…but believing that 3-4 of them can do it seems to big a gamble…we have seen plenty of young OFers in our system look good and not pan out whether with us or with other teams…
I’d rather trade Oneill because his value is so high right now than trade Pham if we are looking to get good value in a trade
still we have the pieces to make bold moves that change the identity of the team back to what people expect…speed, and defense with solid pitching… the fans cry for it all the time…and when they get it at the expense of power they cry for power….but lack of defense especially ets bigger boos IMO and creates more uncertainty and disdain that the HR hitting excitement… I mean Mark Reynolds hit HRs…and they were nice and all but i think a guy like So Taguchi and Pete Kozma still are more beloved… WS victories help with that of course but i think the point is still in there
July 2, 2018 at 12:24 pm #58824
stlcard25ParticipantSchrock’s wRC+ at Memphis is hardly above Wong’s in St Louis. He definitely needs more time in the minors.
As for tonight, hoping to see O’Neill get the start. Bader probably should too. Give Ozuna or Pham (preferably Marcel) a night off.
July 2, 2018 at 12:44 pm #58826Jager-why trade a 23 year OF with improving plate discipline and good power ? Smart move is to trade Pham now…i don
t buy the Pham Value BS............He is replaceable.It is crazy nonsense to even think about trading the best power bat in the system and keeping a overrated arrogant loudmouth jackleg Pham.You dont build for the future with 30 year old injury prone/eye issues players .As for speed and defense…You have Oscar Mercado at AAA…….you have Tyler ONeill who can run and plays better defense than Dexter Do-nothing Fowler and Bader plays defense better than most.A Outfield of Ozuna,Bader,Oneill,Mercad gives you speed and defense with some pop from Ozuna and O`Neill with Bader.Sometimes you have to long farther than the end of your nose when you look ahead.Pham is NOT the future.July 2, 2018 at 12:55 pm #58828Pham`s upside offensively? Defensively? LMAO. Pham has slumped now for almost 2 month.
2 for 33
10 for 61
22 for 117
thats Pham`s offense for the last month or so.
Pham 76 games 78 Ks on pace for 150 plus Ks (Pham is striking out at a higher rate than Randal Grichuk this year)pham`s defense for the season -0.5 WAR
Phams baserunning 9 SB 6 CS
60 per cent success rate.Not exactly doing anything that cant be3 replaced.Top all this off with his crappy " its not my fault baserunning mistakes” and his “i was screwed by the Front Office” routine.Get him the eff out of here.July 2, 2018 at 12:57 pm #58829
stlcard25ParticipantYeah, cause I mean…who would want the guy who just spent a year being one of the top 5-10 players in the game when you can trade him for an AAAA shortstop?
Makes total sense to me. Maybe you should add a few more pejoratives to further prove your dislike of Pham.
July 2, 2018 at 1:30 pm #58839The Dbacks are still in first place so they are a quality team. The reason no one talks about the Nationals selling is because Harper and Murphy are in their walk years. They know they might as well go for it while they can.
I would be in favor of trading Pham. The main reason is that I’m not sold on his defense in CF and I’m concerned he may be a one hit wonder and I think Bader would be defensively elite in CF. Yes, technically we would be “selling low” on Pham but I’m always amused when I hear that phrase especially for a veteran. To sell high Pham would have to be hitting like he was last year and if that were the case the Cards wouldn’t consider selling him so selling low seems to be the only option.
July 2, 2018 at 4:21 pm #58863When a guy puts together a year like Pham did last year and a beginning of this year like he did..you don;t just sell him for nothign..aND sell him at the bottom of his value at that… look how long we held onto Grichuk just in the hopes he would figure it out…
the more adamant people try to find reasons to trade him only shows their desperation at justifying their bias against him
He could be a one hit wonder, but he could also rebound to be a solid to very good player that can provide cheap value
i agree that his defense has been suspect in CF..and i think Bader is them an for that position should we give Bader a more permanent starting role…we just have to deal with the ego of the Pham at that point…and whether anyone cares or not, that does matter….not to mention I wonder how it may affect his vision…i feel like you see and hear about more problems from the corner outfielders in “losing it in the lights” than CF….perhaps CF is the best place for him in his eye condition…it’s not like he is terrible out there…he is far from the guy who is farthest out of position on the team…and BAder’s arm plays well in RF too…
as for the Nationals…. it’s not just that no one is talking about them selling… it’s also about no one saying they are out of it despite them making moves…they are fighting for the same spot in the wildcard hunt we are at this point…and we haev the same record…. and if you want to attack that records arent that important, then we can go back to the beginning of the argument and shut it down…
It’s July…records only start to matter now…Cubs and Brewers havent separated at all and lost some pretty embarrassing games recently as well
we split MIL at MIL….we swept the Cubs last time out…we hold a 9-1 edge on the Reds so far… we are playing our division pretty well and trying to stay afloat while slumps happen and guys return from injury..
maybe as hake up starting with Cecil and Fowler getting the boot…followed with Mabry might put a jolt into the club…find a thumper somewhere to add in for the stretch to go with returning bullpen arms, DeJong and Wacha/Waino, along with a few kids and we might just have enough momentum to make some noise
we will see though
gonna be a tough series IMO both teams coming off ugly series and both wanting to right their ships
GO CARDS!
July 2, 2018 at 5:35 pm #58867
stlcard25ParticipantToday's #STLCards lineup (7/2)
Carpenter 1B
Pham CF
O'Neill RF
Ozuna LF
Molina C
Gyorko 3B
Muñoz SS
Wong 2B
C. Martínez SP— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) July 2, 2018
July 2, 2018 at 6:00 pm #58869Only Matheny would bat a player off the Memphis bus 3rd.
If the offense wants to pad it’s stats then this is the series to do it. Now if they win 2 of 3 is anyone’s guess in doing so.
July 2, 2018 at 6:15 pm #58870bccran
ParticipantLove TO batting 3rd. Shake things up.
July 2, 2018 at 8:36 pm #58871Love TO batting 3rd. Shake things up.
And why would you love having someone hitting 3rd that’s striking out about 30% of the time in the minor leagues? This equates to, more than likely, about 40% of the time in the big leagues. The only question is whether O’Neill will strike out once or twice tonight.
r/Rat
July 2, 2018 at 8:45 pm #58872
stlcard25ParticipantGood start to the game so far…bases juiced with no one out.
July 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm #58873
stlcard25ParticipantOzuna rung up on a ball. Is Ray going to get out of this one without a run?
July 2, 2018 at 8:52 pm #58875
stlcard25ParticipantYadi flares an 0-2 pitch to right center, scoring Marp and Pham. 2-0 Cards.
July 2, 2018 at 8:59 pm #58876
stlcard25ParticipantGyorko singles in O’Neill, followed by a Muñoz double. Yadi scores…and non-fleet footed Gyorko is thrown out at home. Still, 4-0 is an explosion for this offense.
July 2, 2018 at 9:00 pm #58877Nice start to the game tonight 4-0 lead without other team hitting yet, lets hope Martinez is on tonight because Ray doesn’t look to be at all.
July 2, 2018 at 9:01 pm #58878That play at the plate was real close.
Good start! Carlos needs to get it done!
July 2, 2018 at 9:04 pm #58880LOL shuffling people around. An Error by Gyorko.
July 2, 2018 at 9:05 pm #58881
stlcard25ParticipantCarlos sets out to let the Dbacks back in it. Gyorko doesn’t help with the leadoff error. A wild pitch puts Jay on 2nd. Goldschmidt hits a single and they’re in business.
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