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I thought this might warrant it’s own thread.
What do you posters think about this contract? Is there that much loot in baseball that one player can be given $70 million dollars a year?
And what do you think about the 10 years? With his TJ surgery isn’t he a HUGE risk? Are the Dodgers that loaded? And is there a Luxury Tax that will cost them during this contract?
It’s hard for me to believe this kind of money is tossed around nowadays.
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He isn’t going to get $70M a year although the CBT may be figured that way. Most of the money is deferred. The Dodgers may be paying him for 50 years. I guess they figure they will at least break even with all of the marketing dollars he brings in. Of course you also have to factor in that you are buying the best hitter in MLB and the best pitcher in MLB. $350M for each I guess.
Ohtani deal with Dodgers, per source, includes “unprecedented” deferrals – the majority of his salary. The deferrals were Ohtani’s idea to ease the Dodgers’ luxury-tax and cash flow burdens to give the team the flexibility needs to be as competitive as possible, the source said.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 9, 2023
Yes I am waiting for the “see the Dodgers and Cardinals are much different” comments.
I am well aware that the the two teams have different payrolls but I still maintain they both try to build from within more often than not. The Dodgers telegraphed this move long in advance so it should be no surprise. They stripped theoir payroll down to $143M as of this morning to have room for Ohtani. With all of the deferrals they will probably still have room to do more. Ohtani, Betts, and Freeman are the only three big contracts they have since the majority of their roster is homegrown.
I don’t think any player is worth that kind of money regardless of how many years and how much is deferred. Now if they go off and win 5 or 6 world series in that time and he’s leading them then maybe I’ll be talking different. The Yankees paid ruth far more money than anyone else was making and that led to a 40 year dominance. Dont see that happening here but time will tell the story. But I give the dodgers credit for going out and getting a player they wanted.
In the overall scheme, the Dodgers and the Cardinals ARE different in the area that matters most. The Dodgers can sign players that the Cardinals won’t. That they both focus on player development gives the Dodgers the leverage to spend big on needed complementary players. It gives the Cardinals a chance to be competitive in a weak division.
Both teams needed starters this winter. The Dodgers signed Ohtani. The Cardinals signed Gray. The Dodgers build to win the World Series. The Cardinals build to reach the playoffs and hope to get hot in October.
For 2023, the Dodgers had a $240 million payroll. The Cardinals’ comparable number was $154, per Spotrac. That is a 55.8% difference. Think of what the Cards could do with $86 million more to spend…
I believe the magnitude of the difference is greater than the similarity.
Is Shohei Ohtani worth it?
“It’ll pay for itself within six or seven years…He’s literally just a money factory. Even just on advertising alone. All the eyeballs from Japan. He’s like Michael Jordan to them. He’s like Taylor Swift.”
with @SamBlum3: https://t.co/fq4UvqFOTj
— Fabian Ardaya (@FabianArdaya) December 9, 2023
I don’t think the Cardinals would do anything different if they had 150 million more to spend. Plus the owner determines what he wants to spend. It isn’t done set number by the league
Yea I think that article hits it right on the head. There are different ways to look at a deal to say that it could be very successful other than hard dollar figures.
You are right, willie. I should have said, “Think of what the Cards could do if they HAD AN OWNER WILLING TO spend $86 million more.”
According to one source I read, DeWitt is worth $4 billion, so yes, he could spend more if he chose, but he has a business model that he sticks to. However, by any measure, the Cardinals have been losing ground competitively for some time now.
As of this morning the Cardinals had a payroll of $163M per Cots and the Dodgers payroll was $143M. The Ohtani signing will obviously change that and they will probably add more but I would be surprised if there will be a $86M gap on opening day. The Dodgers payroll for 2024 looks like chump change compared to what the Mets and Yankees are currently doing.
In 2022 and 2021 both, the difference between the two teams’ payrolls was $114 million so I guess we can say the gap may be closing. 😉
Since we are evaluating the Cardinals versus the Dodgers, other teams are not relevant to the comparison at hand.
Like I have said many times during this multi year discussion I know there will always be disparities between the payrolls of the two clubs (and I agree some of that is due to the will of ownership instead of financial capability) but there are also similarities in a build from within philosophy.
As a side note I will say that I would rather Ohtani land with the Dodgers than the despised Cubs, who apparently were in the running for him.
And as I said, I agree there are similarities in player development focus, but the differences in financial might are so much more significant (and are partially enabled for LA by their PD focus).
We can agree about the Cubs, at least.
The Top 3 hitters in the Dodgers lineup now account for $1.2B of guaranteed contracts.
1. Mookie Betts, $365M
2. Shohei Ohtani, $700M
3. Freddie Freeman, $162M— Spotrac (@spotrac) December 9, 2023
I have to think the Giants are the biggest loser in this one, they need a superstar player desperately and their attendance hasn’t really came back to pre pandemic levels
It will be interesting to see the details when they are disclosed.
Shohei Ohtani's contract has significant deferrals that include most of his salary — an idea, a source said, that was Ohtani's. In deferring the money, it reduces the cost of the competitive-balance-tax hit and will allow the Dodgers to build a better team around him.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 9, 2023
Greyghost, yes the Giants have tried for years to land the big player and seem to always come up short. It happened with Judge and Correa. The Bluejays also have to be stunned by this. There were actual reports yesterday that Ohtani was on a plane to Toronto to sign with them. Those reporters must feel foolish now.
The Dodgers may end up making a Billion Dollars on advertising revenue and Ohtani jerseys so they will probably be able to afford it.
Ohtani’s first ever home game in Dodger blue will be against our Cardinals I believe.
Yes, the reporter was Jon Morosi. Imagine a situation where Jon Heyman and Bob Nightengale refuted someone else’s rumor. That is what occurred yesterday.
It started with this.
Source: Shohei Ohtani’s decision is imminent, possibly as early as today. @MLBNetwork @MLB
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 8, 2023
Then this.
On Shohei Ohtani, remember that the physical exam will be extensive for a record-setting contract.
Even if Ohtani makes his *choice* in the next 24 hours — as expected — the *agreement* may not be finalized for several days due to the medical review process.@MLBNetwork
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 8, 2023
And this.
Sources: Shohei Ohtani is en route to Toronto today.
A representative of his agency, CAA, would not comment when asked about Ohtani’s travel plans.
At this hour, Ohtani does not have a signed agreement with any @MLB team. @MLBNetwork
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 8, 2023
To his credit, Morosi apologized.
Today, I posted reporting that included inaccurate information that Shohei Ohtani was traveling to Toronto. I regret the mistake and apologize to baseball fans everywhere. I am deeply sorry for letting you down.
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 9, 2023
Speaking of which, who can forget this classic from one year ago? The race to be first is getting increasingly ugly.
he deleted it but the internet will not forget arson judge pic.twitter.com/jG96W0CFvk
— Brian Floyd (@BrianMFloyd) December 6, 2022
Just the other day, the Yankees themselves poked Heyman in the eye with this:
Jon Soto appears headed to Yankees
— New York Yankees (@Yankees) December 7, 2023
I imagine the Angels aren’t thrilled to see him go across town either. Can you imagine having both Ohtani and Trout and not be able to be a playoff team? Good grief.
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