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February 3, 2020 at 9:59 am #121309
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ParticipantSome people think that the only 2 “set” pieces of the rotation are Flaherty and Mikolas. They use analytics to say that Hudson will surely regress in 2020, and positions #3-5 are up for competition. They mainly cite Hudson’s walks.
Not only was Hudson a 16 game winner, with a 3.35 ERA, but he finished the season strongly.
August –
2.38 ERA/1.12 WHIPSeptember –
2.33 ERA/1.22 WHIPWhy all the questions about him?
Shouldn’t he be even better this season as he matures even more as a MLB starter?February 3, 2020 at 10:03 am #121311I brought this up a couple of weeks ago and I totally agree with you bccran. Some people get spooked by Hudson’s peripherals but the guy is a horse. At worst he is currently our third best starter and maybe our second best. He is a combination of Danny Cox, Matt Morris, and Lance Lynn; a bulldog. I can’t imagine him not in our rotation.
February 3, 2020 at 10:49 am #121314Seems like Hudson’s 2019 “issues” are fixable. If you look at it that way, it does give hope to upside as much as downside.
February 3, 2020 at 11:45 am #12131514NyquisT
ParticipantHudson’s name is written in ink to be in the ’20 rotation. What’s the problem?
February 3, 2020 at 1:13 pm #121326
stlcard25ParticipantHudson’s walk rate in his two full minor league seasons was right around 3. I’d expect him to improve his MLB rate starting this year and be around 3.2-3.3 BB/9, which is a bit high but livable for a guy with good stuff. Carlos Martinez has been right around that most years as a starter, which has driven us a little batty but he’s been good.
February 3, 2020 at 2:09 pm #121330Hudson’s minor league career does suggest improved walk rate in 2020.
February 3, 2020 at 5:08 pm #121347bccran
ParticipantI’m pretty naïve about this stuff. All I see is a rookie starter who won 16 games with a 3.35 ERA. In the last third of his rookie starter season he had a 3.17 ERA and only gave up 60 hits in 82 1/3 innings. In August, his BAA was
.193 and in September is was 1.63. Seems to me he got even better as the season wore on. That might bode well for 2020.I just remember at Spring Training in 2017 the coaches were raving about the amount of sink on his 95-96 MPH fastball. Maybe the true measure should be WHIP rather than walks on average per 9 innings.
February 3, 2020 at 6:53 pm #121349Hudson led all qualifying MLB pitchers in ground ball rate in 2019 at 56.9%. Only one other pitcher was better than 54.5% and only eight other pitchers in baseball had a rate over 50%. No one benefits from the strong infield defense more than him. Cut down on the free passes and he takes another step up.
February 3, 2020 at 7:07 pm #121351bccran
ParticipantExcellent point. The Cards have two solid Gold Glove candidates on the infield and one who is rising to the Gold Glove level. Perfect for Hudson’s style.
February 3, 2020 at 7:11 pm #121352Is ground ball rate considered a repeatable trate?
February 3, 2020 at 7:18 pm #121353Google can be your friend, if you let it… because I knew you would not take my word for it… 😉
The ability of batters and pitchers to hit and induce ground balls is a repeatable skill and studies have shown that batter and pitcher ground ball rates can be estimated reliably using small samples (Carleton, 2012) (Carleton, 2013).
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+ground+ball+rate+repeatable&oq=is+ground+ball+rate+repeatable
February 3, 2020 at 7:57 pm #121356
stlcard25ParticipantCarlos Martinez has a career GB rate of 53.1%. He certainly should benefit from the defense behind him as well.
February 3, 2020 at 9:14 pm #121357bccran
ParticipantWouldn’t it be great if Carlos returned to his normal 3.01-3.11 starter ERA.
February 3, 2020 at 10:03 pm #121362Is ground ball rate considered a repeatable trate?
That’s why you have certain relief pitchers during certain game scenarios like when a team needs a ground ball to turn a double play.
February 3, 2020 at 10:23 pm #121364BHC giving me a Seth Maness flashback.
February 4, 2020 at 7:31 am #121366bccran
ParticipantHudson had –
4 innings in rookie ball
0 innings in A ball
9+ innings in A+ ball
114 innings in AA ballWhen he arrived in Memphis at the end of the 2017 season, he only had
127 innings pitched as a professional in a little over a full season. In 2018, he only pitched 19 games at Memphis before being called up to the Cardinals. He may still be developing as a professional pitcher. In college and coming through the minors he averaged
1 walk every 3 innings. He’ll probably settle back into that going forward.February 4, 2020 at 9:58 am #121380
stlcard25ParticipantBHC giving me a Seth Maness flashback.
Or Matt Bowman.
February 4, 2020 at 10:00 am #121382Ha stlcard25, I thought of him too! They were similar in multiple ways.
February 4, 2020 at 6:31 pm #121414Ground ball rates generally follow certain pitchers at any levels.
low home run rates usually accompany a high ground ball pitcher due to weaker batter contact, and an inability to square pitches. IMO, a year to year decrease in groundballs, and an increase in home run rate generally signal mechanical or injury issues.February 4, 2020 at 6:34 pm #121415Connor Jones has an even higher career groundball rate than Hudson in the minors. But his command is worse than average, and he lacks a swing and miss pitch.
February 4, 2020 at 6:42 pm #121416Was it ever a question that Hudson won’t be in the rotation? It should be fun to see how the final two spots shake out though.
Unfortunately, the injury luck in the rotation last year will be hard to repeat.
Bccran, CMart just getting back to 150+ innings below 3.50 would be a major win that I’d be thrilled about.
February 4, 2020 at 7:29 pm #121418
stlcard25ParticipantWas it ever a question that Hudson won’t be in the rotation? It should be fun to see how the final two spots shake out though.
It seems like it was to the blogosphere. Not for those who can look beyond FIP, though.
February 5, 2020 at 8:22 am #121458ST25, FIP is a decent tool and something to take into account for sure, but results are results. Just like projections, I look at them, but how they actually perform are the only thing that matters at the end of the day.
When will there be a stat that measures mentality/what goes on between the ears? That would be something I’d love to see! For example, Waino has a +2.00 mentality and CMart has a -1.5, meaning how many runs they are better than or lower than due to what goes on between the ears.
February 5, 2020 at 8:41 am #121462bccran
ParticipantChiTown –
That’s a great observation. The scouting department interviews parents, coaches, teachers, administrators, professors, deans, counselors, etc. before the draft in an effort to learn as much as they can beyond the statistics about potential draftees. It’s also why BDW
wants to see how a player is under pressure, with teammates, with the manager, with coaches, with the FO, with fans, and in the community before committing to a long term contract situation. They simply strayed from that with Leake, Cecil, and Fowler and look what happened. It’s one of the reasons why they’re gun shy with big name free agents right now.February 5, 2020 at 8:51 am #121465With those deals in the back of his mind, you can’t really blame him. By the time they are in the majors, and guys moving from team to team, playing together in the AFL as an example, etc. I would think the “book” on them would be better known, but who knows.
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