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August 3, 2018 at 8:18 am #63750
Has team chemistry already improved by getting rid of some relievers and Tommy Pham?
If so, it would be a telling indictment…
August 3, 2018 at 8:54 am #63751I think “team chemistry” is a trailing indicator, rather than a leading indicator. If things are going good, and you win some games in the fashion that the Cardinals did yesterday, you will see good team chemistry.
But if the club has a tough series this weekend, and team chemistry is probably not brought up.
August 3, 2018 at 10:22 am #63763I agree with bikemike
August 3, 2018 at 10:33 am #63769Yeah it’s a little early to tell. Just like if the sudden injection of youth has been a springboard.
The schedule appears favorable. I’ll give ya an idea after the 22nd if the chemistry has changed.
August 3, 2018 at 11:31 am #63773I also think clubhouse chemistry is at times overrated. I am a graduate of the University of Oklahoma. Our womens basketball team is a consistent participant in the NCAA tournament. They have amazing team closeness and chemistry but they are plagued by inconsistency and many feel that they underachieve. Their coach, Sherri Coale has often claimed that they lack leadership among the team’s leading players. Several players have failed to improve much if at all during their time with the team.
I have often wondered whether all of that koombya has dampened the tendency for key players to demand that other team members step up for the benefit of the team. As if no one dares to call others to task.
Coach Coale did a fantastic job of turning the program around at OU but the team has been absent from the top tier for a number of years. They do a ton of community service and travel overseas to aid less fortunate people such as victims of the Hatii disaster. She is a brilliant person, appears to do a great job of building character and seems to be a credit to the univesity. But fans are becoming more and more restless as Texas and Baylor have moved past them to elite status.
August 4, 2018 at 2:44 pm #63945I think “team chemistry” is a trailing indicator,
I agree that it is usually a trailing indicator. However, if someone grates on teammates, it may be better for overall team chemistry to remove them.
Kind of like companies remove employees who are bad apples in the workforce every day.
I forgot to mention the removal of Matheny in my original post as a contributor to the mood in the clubhouse lifting…
I also view the Post-Dispatch to be the unofficial PR team for the Cardinals, so there’s that…
August 4, 2018 at 4:38 pm #63960I was never anti-Matheny but I agree the team attitude seems to be much better with him gone. Part of that may be due to Shildt who I have always liked. But Shildt has to prove that he can handle the load at the major league level.
August 23, 2018 at 10:58 am #6649914NyquisTParticipantMurphy was constantly temperamental and moody when he played with the Mets. Brian mentioned that he’s used to starting…. red flag. Let the Cubs’ dugout deal with him. Adams is a much better fit and more apt to better suited for the role he’ll be in. Plus the team and the fans like the guy. Good karma.
August 23, 2018 at 11:13 am #66507A scalding hot bat can make team chemistry feel pretty good.
August 27, 2018 at 8:13 am #6697814NyquisTParticipantA scalding hot bat can make team chemistry feel pretty good.
How’s the chemistry with the team now? Not a trailing indicator any more. Carp-o-mania plus the new younger and healthier rotation and bullpen plus the vastly improved outfield…. this team is primed for a run. One would have to say that the two injuries, one to Fowler the other to CMartinez, plus the Pham, plus the dismissal of the bullpen denizens that were wasting space, all changed the faces on the team and created a new chemistry.
I guess the new manager had something to do with it, but the Memphis mob was chomping at the bit to get their chance. The door swung open to them and now look what we have a vigorous and exciting team.
Can you imagine Schlitz running Fowler out there and Pham in center? There is a new chemistry and its winning games for us.
August 27, 2018 at 8:42 am #66982Is this another one of those, “Tommy Pham speaks his mind about his situation and therefore he’s a clubhouse cancer because he’s not a sit down, take it in the rear, and shut up kind of person like me”?
August 27, 2018 at 8:46 am #66985And yes, I can imagine Shildt running out Fowler every day because that’s exactly what he did.
August 27, 2018 at 8:50 am #66987Wasn’t it reported that Tommy Pham was offered two years at 4 million which would likely be less than he’d earn in arbitration over that time span? If that is true, who is the asshole here?
August 27, 2018 at 9:42 am #67003A scalding hot bat can make team chemistry feel pretty good.
How’s the chemistry with the team now? Not a trailing indicator any more. Carp-o-mania plus the new younger and healthier rotation and bullpen plus the vastly improved outfield…. this team is primed for a run. One would have to say that the two injuries, one to Fowler the other to CMartinez, plus the Pham, plus the dismissal of the bullpen denizens that were wasting space, all changed the faces on the team and created a new chemistry.
I guess the new manager had something to do with it, but the Memphis mob was chomping at the bit to get their chance. The door swung open to them and now look what we have a vigorous and exciting team.
Can you imagine Schlitz running Fowler out there and Pham in center? There is a new chemistry and its winning games for us.
My comment about the scalding hot bat was referring to Murphy and the Cubs, not the team chemistry of the Cardinals.
And to suggest that our new manager “might” have something to do with our new chemistry is so generous of you. Everyone who thinks we would have gone 26-12 in our last 38 under Mathenius raise their hand.
August 27, 2018 at 9:50 am #67004My comment about the scalding hot bat was referring to Murphy and the Cubs, not the team chemistry of the Cardinals.
Let’s see the scrubs play a real team before we make comments on their clubhouse chemistry or even their level of play, shall we? Could just be a lucky streak against a bad team.
August 27, 2018 at 9:59 am #67011Uh ok.
August 27, 2018 at 10:10 am #6701214NyquisTParticipant“This team is completely different. If you watched them over the weekend against the Colorado Rockies, their whole vibe has changed.” – @markdero7 on the @Cardinals #MLBCentral
10:24 AM – Aug 27, 2018
“Vibe”, “chemistry”, “mojo”…. a person with poor eyesight could see the difference in this team. Schlitz is on the ride of his life.
August 27, 2018 at 10:11 am #67013Uh ok.
I’m just saying, this could just as easily be a run like the Cards had early in the year against bad teams that fizzled against better competition.
I get that you’re miffed that the Cubs got Murphy but he fixes a problem they didn’t really have. The rotation there is not good enough to win a playoff series, let alone a pennant, without a big return to form from several guys.
August 27, 2018 at 11:14 am #67031FWIW, Gyorko, who is the guy who probably would have sit had Murphy been added, had a 1.209 OPS last week. So far Murphy’s is 1.112 with the Cubs.
August 27, 2018 at 11:43 am #67035Again this isn’t just about St. Louis. There are 29 teams that could have claimed Murphy and I probably wouldn’t have said a peep. He just ended up in the wrong place.
And as for the Cubs rotation: Hamels is doing his 1984 Sutcliffe impersonation, Lester is always tough in big games and the postseason, Hendricks and Quintana are a little shaky but plenty good enough if their offense continues blasting.
August 27, 2018 at 7:38 pm #67073August 27, 2018 at 9:55 pm #67076For those interested, I checked on Fowler. Because he was in a walking boot due to his ankle injury, he did not accompany the team on the road. That makes sense. However, he has been in the clubhouse when the team is at home. The employee I asked was not sure about every game, but said it is definitely more than just once in awhile.
August 28, 2018 at 3:01 pm #67151As for that Cubs rotation:
August 28, 2018 at 3:21 pm #67153Lots of lefties and the Cards mash lefties now. I wouldn’t mind facing the Cubs in the NLDS. The only team I want nothing to do with is the Dodgers.
August 28, 2018 at 3:54 pm #67158Odd take considering we just swept the Dodgers.
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