StL 2024 rescheduled Game #37 – Monday, August 5 vs. Mets

Home The Cardinal Nation Forums Open Forum StL 2024 rescheduled Game #37 – Monday, August 5 vs. Mets

Viewing 18 posts - 26 through 43 (of 43 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #263184
    jj-cf-stl
    Participant

    12 ground balls
    1 fly ball
    4 line drives

    Pallante usually has some escape artist DP’s like John Gant did. No DP’s today.

    #263186
    Wooster2
    Participant

    Looks like we’re still playing the Cubs. Our RISP success is abysmal.You know there is a strategy common to all sports. Its called “Win the Home Games”!

    #263187
    Steve60
    Participant

    Free

    15 and 26 in out last 41! Seems we have reverted back to last seasons look! I think out bullpen has been way better this year than last, our starting pitching has been better also! The hitting and more specifically hitting in the clutch has been miserable! We can NOT go into next year with this group of hitters! Goldscmidt will be gone for sure but we need help here!

    #263189
    bicyclemike
    Moderator

    Paid - Annual

    Twice as many strikeouts as hits is not a good recipe for success on offense.

    We might be reverting to a record that more accurately reflects our run differential, after being much better than indicated for much of the season.

    #263192
    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Paid - Annual

    Seemed like Andre was in deep trouble in the fifth. He had already thrown almost 30 pitches in the inning. I was surprised Oli didn’t go out and get him before the big hit into the RF corner. Especially with a lefty pitching for the Mets, the game was over then and there.

    #263196
    ZTR
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    This is going to help us in September and October. I can tell you that.

    #263197
    1toughdominican
    Participant

    Free

    I long ago arrived at a point in time when I learned to never be surprised at anything the Cardinal manager does or doesn’t do.

    #263199
    Steve60
    Participant

    Free

    1TD, I do not like Oli and wish he would be replaced, but I don’t think even TLR could win with this group of hitters! It is just pitiful to watch day after day! They simply can’t hit when it matters!

    #263200
    1toughdominican
    Participant

    Free

    You’re probably right, Steve. But unlike the current Redbird manager, TLR used to surprise me all the time when he was on, “Tony TV”…I miss that show! It was full of surprises…Haha!

    #263203
    Bob Reed
    Participant

    Free

    “I long ago arrived at a point in time when I learned to never be surprised at anything the Cardinal manager does or doesn’t do.”

    Seconded.

    But I have to say, when Victor Scott was on first base with Sean Manaea on the mound (base stealers are 15-for-16 versus Manaea this year) I really, really honestly thought Marmol would give Victor the green light, turn the fast guy loose to do the one thing he’s great at. But Ollie didn’t. And then Pham singled. Which got Scott to second base only. Where he was of course then stranded.

    Marmol is terrible in so many ways, I’ve simply lost count. The one thing he does well is deflect blame.

    #263204
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    I really, really honestly thought Marmol would give Victor the green light, turn the fast guy loose to do the one thing he’s great at. But Ollie didn’t.

    All we know is that he hadn’t run yet. We don’t know if he had a green light. We don’t know if he needed a green light or if he was cleared to run at will.

    #263209
    jj-cf-stl
    Participant

    Bases loaded, one out, in a 1-0 game and Andre gets his DP ball with the sacks full, but it’s not at someone, it goes down the 3B line. Then Taylor down the other line to clear the bases.

    If Andre were a pen member, he’s the guy who comes in to get the DP, so I understand leaving him in. They earned those runs with 4 consecutive batted balls as hits.
    That was a typical start for Andre. No HR’s, heavy GB rate, limited walks; but this outing BAbip bit him in the butt. No DP’s turned either.
    —-
    Pallante w/a GmSc of 34
    One x-base hit (Dbl)
    0-7 w/risp

    #263243
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    As a starter Pallante is 4-5, 4.11 ERA, 1.281 WHIP, .675 OPS against. He’s not reliably good for 6 IP, but neither is anyone else. For a #5, that’s good enough for a .500 team. The Cardinals certainly have bigger problems to worry about.

    #263244
    KeepComingBack
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Pallante only needs to get better command in high leverage situations. When he does that, he will be golden.

    #263268
    Bob Reed
    Participant

    Free

    “All we know is that he hadn’t run yet. We don’t know if he had a green light. We don’t know if he needed a green light or if he was cleared to run at will.”

    But that’s not really all we know, is it? About Ollie Marmol’s views on base stealing, I mean.

    We also know that the Cards are near the bottom of the majors in stolen base attempts, despite being successful well over 75% of the time.

    And we know that Masyn Winn stole 92 bases in 104 tries over 322 minor league games — and has attempted just 17 steals in 142 MLB contests. (Hey, Ollie, how is Winn ever going to be a really good MLB base thief if he isn’t permitted to learn his craft via trial & error?)

    Marmol sometimes sends his runners aggressively, even employing double-steals. BUT that’s only when there’s little or no positive effect on the outcome; like when the Birds are leading by 3 or 4 runs in the 7th or 8th innings. Marmol 99% of the time eschews both steals and hit ‘n runs because there’s risk involved. He timidly fixates on risk while ignoring the potential rewards.

    #263270
    1toughdominican
    Participant

    Free

    It’s not just the lack of SB attempts by this team that identify it with an inherent fear of taking any risks. Rarely do I ever see a baserunner advance more tha a solitary base on a single. It’s one of the many reasons I’d term this team as incredibly mundane and wearisome. The spectator is constantly subjected to the risk of dozing off.

    #263271
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    As horrible as the team is with RISP, it may not be worth the risk to get a guy over to second. A homer will drive him in anyway.

    #263286
    jj-cf-stl
    Participant

    Ive read the SB success rate needs to be 75% to break even. That’s probably changing with the new bases. The 25% emphasizes the value of the outs remaining, that inning, and it’s affect on the run expectency.

Viewing 18 posts - 26 through 43 (of 43 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

First-hand news and commentary on the St. Louis Cardinals™ and minor league system for over 25 years