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Not sure Winn is indeed handling the high pitches. I’d like to see a chart showing all of his hits and where the pitch was. From what I see on TV it looks like he either misses the high pitch or fouls it off. However, I could be wrong. I was wrong once before. Back in June of 1987 I think I was wrong once. That means Herzog must have been right on that one.
Ok, I did your research for you. This comes from Baseball Savant. It shows that just 12% of the pitches to Winn this season are up in the zone and another 14% are up and out of the zone. So in total, about a quarter of the pitches he sees are up. That 26% high compares to about 54% which are low.
The second graph is the raw count of pitches, not percent.
For the color coding, red is hot and blue is cold..
I had forgotten that Big League baseball was played at Tiger Stadium as recently as 1999. In any event, I’d have thought that any new baseball venue built in a city named Detroit would have come equipped with one of those fancy retractable roofs.
A couple buddies of mine who relocated out here (one has since moved back) grew up in the Detroit area. We played some vintage baseball in the area in 1997 and 2000. Unfortunately in ‘97 we were committed too much to see a game, but we did see one in Comerica in 2000 – the first year of that stadium. Future Cardinal Juan Encarnacion was the Tiger center fielder that night.
Anyway, Tiger Stadium was still standing. We went there as well and there was a sports memorabilia shop in it. I bought a pretty nice ‘62 Mantle card there. Also Billy Crystal’s movie “61*” was partially filmed there, with computer graphics used to make it look like Yankee Stadium.
I looked it up, Bikemike, and saw that it stood in a state of neglect for almost 10 years and that the demo of the old venue wasn’t completed until the latter part of 2009. It provided a place for the Tigers to host Big League baseball for 88 years and coincidentally was opened on the same day (April 20, 1912) as Fenway Park in Boston. In any event, I think it would have been nice if these old venues could have possibly been preserved and upgraded to a condition as to remain serviceable. Oh well, this is America and everyone wants a new Chevy or Ford every few years…Haha!
I like up and away for Winn, and middle away. He inside-outs many line drives in those locations.
Today, I like how he has the outer half covered and is looking for pull pitches.He seems to be seeing it pretty well. He probably carries one of those charts in his pocket when he stands in.
He gets a very flat swing plane on up and away. He can be very wristy strong going oppo. He slaps it hard.
Interesting question. The only pitchers in Memphis on the 40-man are Thompson, Pallante, Robberse and Kloffenstein and they are all supposedly starters now. Every reliever on the roster is already active with St. Louis or on the IL. Can’t see them making a 40-man roster move just for a 27th man for one day.
I guess by process of elimination, given Thompson was used as a long man his first time out with Memphis, it would be him. Or if he and Pallante are piggy backing, this would be Andre’s turn to relieve. They both last pitched on Saturday.
The RP depth seems quite shallow at the moment on the 40 man. I don’t really see any good candidates even off the 40 man. I hate converting SP to RP as we do it too often, but given our full rotations in the upper minors, we may need to on some guys. I think Santos is going to RP which is where he profiles best anyway.
Robertson pitched 2 innings last Tuesday. King I don’t remember seeing since both were recalled.
“shallow on candidates” to trust with an inning, that isn’t mop-up, I’d agree.
Hat-tip to Libby, again. He battled his butt off for us. Somehow that big “L” feels like a step forward. Hopefully it’s an outing he builds off of. A lot of good happened in those high lev innings (along with the L).
Libby has looked better out of the pen, although his pitch mix seems much more SP appropriate. He does need to work on a few things and I think he could he a quality SP that I hope the coaching staff are discussing. I think in a more analytics driven team, he would be given a shot to start.
He first needs to start throwing more 1st pitch strikes. He is only sitting at at 53.8% leading him working behind in the count a lot and walking a good amount of hitters. Second, he either needs to either rework the sinker and cutter, or scrap them and focus on the 4 seam, his above average curve and slider, and changeup. Libby’s sinker has been hit hard his whole time in the bigs. It has much less movement than the average pitchers sinker and he is locating it up in the zone way too much.
Good insights ATM. And welcome! I am okay with Libby in the ‘pen for now, but see him as a starter long term. And who knows, maybe he and Matz flip roles at some point this year.
Liberatore’s pitching line from Sunday’s loss looks decent with only the 3 hits and a BB in 3 IP’ed, but the reality is that he was way ahead of Bader and Vientos and then surrendered both the game tying single and the walk-off HR on an 0-2 count. In my view, that’s a poor outing and the loss he’s tagged with is well deserved. I’d also say that he still has a ways to go before he possibly becomes what I would term a pitcher.
TD that was my take as well. Libby has not sustained any dominance at any level since A ball, right up to now. I think his best chance is as a one inning guy so he can put everything he has into 15 pitches and not face anybody twice. Even with that, he doesn’t have an out pitch, so high leverage is not his future.
The Cardinals can temporarily climb out of last place with a W in the first game and can be assured they won’t be in the cellar tomorrow morning with a sweep.
During the 1943 season the Chicago White Sox played 44 doubleheaders. That’s a lot…In fact, that’s a record.
Pitching is a funny art that where small adjustments can lead to a below average pitcher turning into a above average pitcher. Libby should have an out pitch with his curve. He just needs to locate it better. His slider and changeup show slightly above average potential as well. Libby compares well to Max Fried with his tools. I’m not sold on STL’s pitching development strategies as we can’t develop pitchers as we seem out of touch with the modern pitching environment, which is something Mo has acknowledged at least now. Look at how good Hicks has been this year with some adjustments to throw a little softer and focusing on the splitter and scrapping the slider.
I’m in line with your comment, Albert, but this is Liberatore’s 3rd season and he continues to have the same look as when he surfaced in ’22.
1TD, I understand the hesitation. I’m hopeful for Libby and we will see how he does. I know this is his 3rd year, but we don’t seem to have made any meaningful changes regarding pitcher development in that time. I have hope we get some new eyes in on the pitchers coaching and make some changes there. I also want to point out to that many great pitchers start out slow in their careers. I mentioned Fried earlier, and he didn’t pitch well either in his rookie age 23 season or his age 24 season (both with some starts and relieving). This is just now Libby’s age 24 season so he has plenty of time to make changes and learn to truly pitch.
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