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  • #268326
    LACardFan
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    Minor league instructor salaries are one thing; facilities and equipment are another. How much do fully kitted out pitching and hitting labs cost to build, equip, and maintain?

    The Cardinals have already been investing in those down in Florida, correct?

    Also, if a youth movement it is to be then using 2025 to retool the minors and ‘see what you have with your higher level prospects (while also adding to their ranks) while building a warchest for 2026 isn’t a bad idea – IF the saved money is allocated for 2026 player salaries and not for bonuses and golden parachutes.

    The saved money is likely going to the shareholders, is my point.

    #268360
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    I think Gray will have a ton of suitors on the trade market. Perhaps the Cardinals will have to chip in on the remaining salary but I expect interest to be high. Hopefully we get a nice return.

    #268362
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    The Cards have to become more stingy with NTCs. Yes, they can be waived or bought out but they canbe a pain. I don’t see Mikolas wanting to go anywhere

    #268364
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    I imagine all the improvements would be in the range of millions, but likely not 20+ million. If only we hadn’t signed Mikolas to that extension we could easily cover whatever costs. Paying him $17.7 million to be the 2nd worst starting pitcher in baseball.

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    I think the Cardinals should keep Gray. They need to get rid of Mikolas. I think they could have a rotation of Gray, Gibson, Fedde, Pallante and McGreevey. That would be just as good as this year’s. Gibson and Fedde could be deadline trade candidates if some of our AAA pitchers seem ready by mid season. Use Matz and Liberatore in the pen.

    #268366
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    I guess 6th worst is a better measure of Mikolas’s skill this year after extending the inning cutoff to 100 IP. Our old friend Montgomery was the worst this year.

    #268367
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    Forsch, I think Mikolas in untrabeable unless we also add prospects. Who wants to pay him almost 18 million to be one of the worst SP?

    #268368
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    I imagine all the improvements would be in the range of millions, but likely not 20+ million.

    Yes, all the “improvements” should be less than Middleton’s contract last year.

    But the Cardinals seem intent on gaslighting the fans, rather than admitting they are tearing it down to the studs to maintain or improve profit margins.

    #268370
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    Mikolas is a sunk cost. I’m not interested in saving the investors some money. I AM interested in making the team better without getting free agents….unless the team wakes up and decides to bite the budget bullet for a year or two to fill team needs.

    Obviously, that is not happening.

    #268392
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    Just putting out 5 young guys in the starting rotation b/c you are cheap is an impending disaster for their growth….they need to have some veteran presence.

    They act like they are losing money…attendance for 80 games was still over 2.8 million. If they are crying b/c of the Bally deal that is their own fault. They should have had better plans on that front with the Bally Bankruptcy proceeding and MLB.

    #268396
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    They should have had better plans on that front with the Bally Bankruptcy proceeding and MLB.

    The billionaires that own MLB should collectively step forward to buy Bally out of bankruptcy for 30 cents on the dollar.

    #268397
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    One of the interesting things I have heard is that Gibson spent a lot of time with the young pitchers talking to them and helping them. I would be willing to pick up his option to keep the mentorship. I agree with you, greyghost.

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    Bye Sonny. Best of luck.

    #269199
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    I am with GameCard in that I would like to see Sonny back next year. The Cardinals must see him as a higher risk than they are comfortable with given his beginning and ending the season with injuries. But he brings it every game, and I think he is a good mentor for the young guys.

    But with revenue undoubtedly falling well below budget, cost cutting needs to be the focus.

    #269255
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    Arenado and Gray should return.

    #269261
    jj-cf-stl
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    Sonny may like his free agency choice. With a full NTC, it is his choice to stay or allow a trade.

    #269271
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    The more I think about this, the more incredulous I become. Gray turns 35 in a week, finished on the IL, is owed $60 Million over the next two years and has a no trade to be bought out. How do you ‘shop’ that?

    I don’t think he was really injured. He pitched through the ‘soreness’ in his last start so they probably were just shutting him down.

    As I said in the Helsley trade though, per BTV, Gray has a negative trade value (-9.0 per them) so he isn’t gonna get you anything in a trade.

    The issue is that we lost the 43rd pick in the draft by signing him and he has a 2027 $30M option with a $5M buyout.

    If you have to eat $10M in 2026 just to get Gray off the roster, opening up $20-25M to spend, can you do better than Gray with that $25M? Better question – Would they?

    #269273
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    I’d be astonished if the FO can do better than Gray on the market so may as well keep him and pay him.

    Mikolas with the same sucky run support will be the same Mikolas. Who else does 170 innings? See above.

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