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Now that Brian Reynolds, apparently, has requested a trade. Wouldn’t he be about as good of acquisition as Soto would have been? What would you offer the Pirates for Reynolds?
I get your point. However, Reynolds has actually produced at the MLB level more than any of those three have yet to do. But I wouldn’t overpay for Reynolds for the very reason you alluded to.
Reynolds all day long. He is an elite player. Much better than Carlson but not nearly as expensive as Soto.
The trade value calculator site we talked about before has Reynolds very slightly behind Walker. Basically, Reynolds and a throw in guy for Walker. No way I would do that. There is ceiling and 6 years of control vs 3. Yes, there is risk with Walker vs Reynolds, but our strong outfield situation means we can afford to take that risk.
Our next most valuable guy is Carlson, 10 points back, so we’d have to add in a Herrera or Liberatore, for example. That I would do, but I don’t see Pittsburgh going for anything but someone’s top prospect. We need to recognize that we would have to outbid other teams. Pittsburgh would want Walker or they would go talk to somebody else whose top prospect isn’t already fitted for a statue outside Busch.
I’d be surprised if the Pirates would give some consideration to Reynolds for Carlson and Liberatore. Especially, since Reynolds wants to be moved.
That should read, I’d be surprised if the Pirates would NOT give some consideration to Reynolds for Carlson and Liberatore. Especially, since Reynolds wants to be moved.
I think the Pirates would definitely be interested in Carlson and Liberatore for Reynolds but we might have to sweeten the pot a little more because of the intradivision tax. I would consider it depending on who else they ask for.
One way or the other, Mo has the ammo to get Reynolds without overpaying. Carlson and Liberatore seems to be a be a fair intitial offer. It would help the Pirates get younger with more control in their rebuilding process.
I just made a post on another thread using the steamer projections to generate a projected WAR/600. Thought this was worth adding in here as well including Reynolds.
Nootbaar – 3.77 WAR/600
Reynolds – 3.56 WAR/600
Carlson – 3.42 WAR/600
O’Neill – 2.89 WAR/600
Burleson – 2.79 WAR/600If you have to give up Carlson to get Reynolds, I might rather just keep Carlson.
Definitely wouldn’t give up Carlson for him he seems to hit every other year and he also isn’t that good of a fielder
I would trade Carlson and Liberatore in a heart beat! We would be getting a player that we HOPE Carlson Might be! Do it!
Reynolds D in CF cancels out the advantage he has over Carlson with the bat. They are basically a wash in field value, with one season less control of Reynolds, and a much higher salary. Pass.
There is no way I’d ever give Carlson for Reynolds – not even straight up let alone throwing in Liberatore too. I don’t see the Cardinals ever offering that trade to Pittsburgh. There’s just nothing to be gained. People are down on Carlson because he hasn’t become great or even really good. But he is still good. And he’s very young with lots of time to get to really good. And maybe he doesn’t get there. But he’s a strong bet for 3-4 WAR each year for the next 5 years. Worst case, he’s a 2.5 WAR player. Best case he’s probably a 5.5 WAR player. He’s 3 years younger than O’Neil, a year younger than Nootbaar still and is the same age as Burly and Moises Gomez. If we had put Gomez and Burleson on our MLB roster 2 years ago they would have struggled mightily. Carlson is a really valuable cheap asset to have around and it would be crazy to trade him for Reynolds.
I am not nearly as optimistic about Carlson as you guys. He can’t hit RH pitching which is a big problem. He was basically a platoon/utility player last September. Reynolds is the player we hope Carlson will turn out to be someday. If we want to stop relying on hope in our quest to compete against the big boys and advance in the playoffs then we need a player like Reynolds.
Reynolds at a corner OF is a better use of his skill set. PIT can afford his salary this season, but going into 2024 he may become available.
I was thinking the same. Put Reynolds in RF or LF and slide O’Neill or Noot to CF. We need the Reynolds bat though.
I am just confused when we say we need to take steps to improve our lineup to take advantage of the prime Arenado/Goldy years and to challenge the Dodgers, Mets, Braves, and Phillies then turn around and say we would rather have Carlson in our lineup instead of Reynolds. That makes no sense to me.
You didn’t hear improve our lineup from me. I’d rather improve the pitching.
Reynolds finished 11th in CF, which is hard to do with his bat, but it speaks of his poor CF D. Carlson finished 12th. Neither are below average, and we haven’t seen Carlsons peak. We remember his injured Sept.
When SEA priced Reynolds, that AL ROY-1 was the asking price. Rodriguez maybe? He was in AAA at the time. Plan on Walker, maybe Walker plus, as our cost. High cost to go from 12th to 11th, when half the pitching staff should have been non-tendered or DFA’d this winter.
Opinions vary 😄, it’s why we are here.
Reynolds finished 11th in CF, which is hard to do with his bat, but it speaks of his poor CF D. Carlson finished 12th.
If that is the case then the rating services much feel that Carlson is vastly superior defensively because the offense is not even close. If so that could be solved by moving Reynolds to a corner OF spot.
If you compare them offensively by looking at a 162 game average for their careers (from baseball reference):
Carlson: 247 avg- 323 ops- 407 slg- 730 ops- 104 ops+
Reynolds: 281 avg- 361 ops- 481 slg- 842 ops- 127 ops+
If you run Statcast Outs Above Average (the only defensive metric I believe in) over a four year time period to reduce variability, Reynolds has been worth 5 outs above average to Carlson’s 4. They are roughly the same defensively in CF.
Most recent, most relevant. You know where I’m going. Besides, Carlson CF numbers are a half season?
It’s not about Carlson vs Reynolds. First you have to give up Walker to get Reynolds. Who’s in?
I would use the fact that Reynolds asked to be traded as leverage. Float Nootbaar and Pallante past the Bucs and see if they bite.
A Walker for Reynolds deal might go down in history like Pena for Van Slyke, LaValliere and Dunn. Or Virdon for Del Greco – basically a lopsided deal that helped the Pirates go from losing to contending, and the Cardinals regretting the trade.
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