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August 11, 2017 at 10:09 am #30350
Memphis at Nashville: Jack Flaherty
Springfield at Corpus Christi: Ryan Helsley
Palm Beach at Daytona: Sam Tewes
Peoria vs. Burlington: Frederis Parra
State College vs. Vermont: Jonathon Mulford
Johnson City at Bristol: Jacob Schlesener
GCL Cards off
DSL Cards at Rockies: Hector SotoAugust 11, 2017 at 1:16 pm #30365PadsFSParticipantFlaherty day!! I’ll be watching this one.
August 11, 2017 at 1:17 pm #30366PadsFSParticipantBader has a very nice 20 HRs, 10 SBs line with a near .300/.350/.500 batting line.
August 11, 2017 at 9:02 pm #30387Turn on MiLB.TV if you have it. Helsley carrying a no-hitter into the seventh at Corpus Christi.
August 11, 2017 at 9:08 pm #30388bccranParticipantGreat outing so far by Rodney.
August 11, 2017 at 9:12 pm #30389Check that. With 91 pitches, no hits and five walks, Helsley was taken out before the seventh in favor of Pedro Echemendia.
August 11, 2017 at 9:46 pm #30402No no in the 9th now
August 11, 2017 at 9:56 pm #30404Wick gave up a long double with one out in the ninth to keep Springfield from its first-ever no-hitter. Cards still win, 7-0.
August 11, 2017 at 10:01 pm #30406Bumped down from Memphis by Piscotty, Adolis Garcia has three HR, seven RBI in first two games back with Springfield.
August 11, 2017 at 10:08 pm #30408Schlesener was on the verge of a another stellar outing tonight before rain: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K. His previous outing he twirled six-no hit frames with 13 punchouts. Granted he’s 20-years old and in Rookie Ball still, but have to be a little impressed. Projectable left-handed starting pitchers do not grow on trees. He should definitely be in the prospect rankings this fall, especially since he has gotten his walks under control of late.
August 11, 2017 at 10:11 pm #30410We HAVE to make a major trade this winter and thin out some of our logjam of OFs and Ps. Do a multiple prospect/MLB players for a major upgrade. Whether we upgrade a position in the majors or acquire a top 10 prospect or 2, it doesn’t really matter to me.
Garcia looks like a great signing.
August 11, 2017 at 10:15 pm #30412I know I go on about gomber sometimes… But helsley is another one of those guys who keeps slipping through the cracks.
Pretty crazily weird when a guy with an era under 2.75 at aa at barely 23 (and a month) and who can dial it up to the high-mid 90s might not break our top 10 pitching prospects.
Not even sure I know what to say to that
Edit: will be easier with weaver graduated to be fair…
August 11, 2017 at 10:17 pm #30414bccranParticipantHelsley and Mejia are both underrated.
August 11, 2017 at 10:51 pm #30419Helsley is not underrated here, ranked in the top 20 and ahead of Gomber and Hicks, among other pitchers.
However at MLB, he is #24, behind them as well as Seijas, Jones and Oviedo.
August 12, 2017 at 12:06 am #30426Helsley has been impressive over the last two years. Touched 98 again tonight. Good curve. Still needs a reliable third pitch to remain a starter. Would be an exceptional power armed reliever.
August 12, 2017 at 7:07 am #30432bccranParticipantSeems to me that over the past year or so, Helsley has been pretty underrated. In the off season count down on TCN, where was he ranked? In the latest MLB.com rankings, he’s rated below Reyes,
Flaherty, Hudson, Alcantara, Fernandez, Gallen, Hicks, Gomber, Woodford, Seijas, Jones, and Oviedo. Really? Rated below Jones? Who on the above list has outperformed him in the system statistically? That’s what I call being underrated.August 12, 2017 at 8:44 am #30441August 12, 2017 at 9:34 am #30443bccranParticipantNot just talking about TCN. Also talking about MLB, BA, etc.
August 12, 2017 at 9:53 am #3044614NyquisTParticipantbc…. many of the “experts” that rank prospects base their lists on “potential”. Examples of that are FANGRAPHS, which on 1/29/17 ranked the top 24 prospects plus a group of 18 that were also mentioned…. no Helsley at all. Prospects 1500 on 1/18/17 ranked Helsley 26th and MLB on 2/23/17 didn’t have Helsley in their top 30. That is underrating, perhaps because he came out of Northeastern State or because at the time his velocity was lower and that turns off some who believe velocity is a prerequisite for premier prospects.
BUT…. but the Community rankings right here on TCN put him at #13… the highest of all the lists that I used in an “Aggregate” list. That list had Helsley at #23 but he lost points with the above mentioned lists that skim over actual performance in favor of something called “potential”, a very subjective quality. This isn’t the only case of underrating…. there are others.
August 12, 2017 at 5:17 pm #30490I actually had hope that Helsley would pull a Rosenthal and go from low A one season to STL the next.
If it were all stats, Pearce would also be ranked higher.
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