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For the underachievement of some players he was counting on, heavily, this season. Namely, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Gray, Gorman and Walker.
I dont neccessarilly blame marmol, i blame the people that hired him and fired a very good coach in schildt.
Gray is tied with Winn for the team lead in fWAR. Nado is next.
I agree the Cards need better players. But Marmol is a joke. A Yes-Man.
You never see articles or comments that say things like Oliver Marmol is one of the bright young managers today. He does not generate a lot of buzz as a guy with a bright future.
He has not shown me anything to think he is a guy we are lucky to have. Yeah, we need players to be better, and/or get better players. But Ollie does not seem to add anything, and he might just take away a bit. But honestly, I cannot say for sure. He just seems sort of generic – nothing special.
The more I think on it, the more I think Terry Pendleton would be a guy to make a difference as our manager.
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Great points. Marmol doesn’t appear to have garnered much respect in the baseball world.
A great manager brings out the very best in his players and team. I’ve yet to see Marmol do this.
We have seen the dropoff in team performance from Shildt to Marmol.
Is that a total coincidence?
I don’t think so. I think Shildt ran better spring trainings. I think he had a better clubhouse.
Now, as for the under-achievement of players at the plate, I think that is totally on them. But how much does a disastrous leader drag down the players?
Marmol publicly scapegoated two players last year. What do the players think of him?
I would love to see the results of an anonymous team survey administered by totally independent marketing research professionals into what the players think of the manager and what they think is necessary to return to winning ways.
Regardless of whether or not the whiz-kid should shoulder most of the blame for the failures of this team, I’ve been entirely convinced for the last two years that the Cardinals will never win anything with him situated on the top step.
Marmol is not a great manager by any means. Shildt was better. Clapp would probably be better. Schumaker would probably be better. But by no mean is he the sole reason for our problems. Not even close. This organization is stale from the top down.
Marmol is not a great manager by any means. Shildt was better. Clapp would probably be better. Schumaker would probably be better. But by no mean is he the sole reason for our problems. Not even close. This organization is stale from the top down
Yep, I agree. This is the 2007 Cards before the organizational retool…only this time, there’s no Albert and Yadi to lean on.
Please explain how you hire a major league manager for a storied franchise who has never managed above the high A level.
And support him with a pitching “strategist” and then coach who has never coached professionals before.
Please explain how you hire a major league manager for a storied franchise who has never managed above the high A level.
And support him with a pitching “strategist” and then coach who has never coached professionals before.
How? The answer is obvious. Experience is not thought to be necessary because nothing needs to be brought to the table. Everything needed is already on the table. It is provided by the the system in place run by the FO. The output of the system informs game prep and in game management. As to managing personalities, zeros and ones do not have personalities.
They need to clean house from the President of Baseball/GM, manager and coaches and training staff about 1 hour after the final game of the year.
Whether Ollie deserves much criticism for the poor play and now lousy attendance, like many managers before him he will be the fall guy.
Not sure what happens with Mo. The recent fiascos with Jordan Walker, and trading Dylan Carlson for an 11 game rental of a bullpen pitcher might be the last straw. Prior success might keep him around in a different capacity for a year as we transition to a new POBO, presumably Chaim Bloom, but we will see how they handle it.
Paul Dejong is having a good second half, second half OPS .926, and his August OPS is over 1.000.
His 23 homers is the most since his AS season in 2019, and his season OPS+ is the best since his rookie year in 2017. Marmol may not be a good manager, but the Cardinals’ problem is not Marmol, it is much, much worse. The best thing that can happen to a young player might be to get out.
It’s not just bad for young players. I was of the opinion more than a year ago that StL. was taking on a reputation around the league as a place that FA’s should be reluctant to consider as a place to play. I mean, all of the players around the Big Leagues had to have noticed what they did to Contreras.
It seems like the biggest drop in quality within the Cardinal organization is the manager and coaching staff. Historically we had excellent leadership, teaching and motivation from the staff.
I would go to games out here and most years just sensed that our club oozed respect and strong leadership. They reminded me of another of my dad’s passions, which was Nebraska football. My dad grew up in, and played at Nebraska his freshman year. He then transferred to a small school in the state ane ended up in their Hall of Fame.
But back in ‘80s when I was at Colorado and working in the athletic department as a student, NU would come out here and they just showed such a disciplined program under Tom Osborne. It is more apparent at the college level, but it seems like we had a similar field leadership and have slipped way back in that area.
That might be one reason players are not finding success here.
Marmol is also 22 games under 500 the last 2 years and whatever environment he is creating is not conducive to winning MLB baseball games apparently. No way he will be back with the current trajectory of this team.
His team was 20 games under last season and the Cardinal bosses rewarded him with an extension. Heck, they’re only 2 under this season so, if the trend continues, they’ll probably offer him a multi year deal. I mean, let’s face facts…He is the one and only Whiz-Kid.
C’mon now, bling. DeJong was so bad in Toronto he was released. He was terrible in San Francisco and awful in Chicago, too. He was traded to KC for an A ball reliever with a 4.62 career ERA. Is that the Cardinals’ fault, too?
It is great he has had 19 good games since joining KC but crowing about it like it is a significant career turnaround is akin to being a noisy rooster at 2 am.
I remember the critics coming out of the woodwork when Matt Carpenter hit all those homers in NY. Then midnight struck and he returned to being Matt Carpenter, who he has been ever since.
P.S. Suggesting DeJong is a “young player” totally ignores the fact that he is 31 years old now and was 30 when traded away. So there’s that…
Looking at the records of the Cardinals and the Padres, Shildt must be just smiling thinking “karma” whenever he looks at the standings.
He may or may not be thinking that, but karma has nothing to do with the standings. The standing are entirely controlled by the W/L records of the superior baseball teams over the inferior baseball teams…And are ultimately decided by the whims and wishes of the omnipotent baseball gypsies…Haha!
DeJong’s 23 homers tops anything we have. It took him a while to shake it off, but there is no denying his second half production.
Another former Cardinal doing well is Ozuna. Last I saw he was batting over .300 with 37 homers.
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