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Andrew, it would have to be a massive haul for the Cardinals to consider it. At a minimum it should be their top three pitching prospects if not more.
And that was media driven, just like this is.
I would say a lot of it is paranoid fans on top of how he exited Colorado, which wasn’t media driven. It actually happened.
The crisis is over!
The #STLCards have no plans to deal superstar Nolan Arenado before the MLB Trade Deadline or any time soon, president John Mozeliak said on Saturday.
Manager Oliver Marmol: "I want to compete & win a championship with Nolan Arenado at third base.”https://t.co/IUCljb2AIY
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) July 30, 2023
Mo cleared the air on it. Pretty much what I thought, mostly media trying to make something out of partial information; something that was more drama than reality.
And really, if we want to be better in 2024 we need Nolan Arenado. If we want to be better in 2027,’28 and onward, we might help that by dealing him for high ceiling prospects. But that is risky.
Anyway, glad we can move on from this.
Yea I’m glad it’s over far as speculation. If we was to trade any of the main guys, it should be goldy. He’s older, more than likely fewer good years left. Maybe he wouldn’t bring as much but who knows
I am glad he finally came out and and said something instead of leaving Arenado hanging out to dry answering all the questions.
I did not say it was far fetched. I said it had 1% chance of happening, and as such, it was being blown way out of proportion.
Some people don’t distinguish between talk and action. The Dodgers may have asked but the price was almost certainly going to be too steep.
Now the chance is zero.
The Cardinals were one of the first clear sellers, but so far, not much movement. Other teams report the STL asking prices remain very high (from the perspective of some buyers).
— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) July 29, 2023
That is exactly right. Mo’s words were “We aren’t going to trade him” and “We haven’t asked him to waive his NTC”.
That tells me that the Dodgers didn’t meet the asking price because as we just saw with the Scherzer trade a team usually doesn’t ask a player to waive his NTC until after the terms of the trade are agreed to.
Never has been so much written about such little substance. Some people don’t seem to understand that nearing the deadline, teams ask about EVERY desirable player. The player does not have to be “on the market” or “on the trade block” for teams to inquire. That is especially the case when a team announces it is a seller like the Cardinals did. It is business as usual to make inquiries.
The Cards would have been stupid to not listen. They probably did, but did not like what they heard. That doesn’t mean the two sides were ever close. If fact, that he is off the market three days early tells me there was no perceived chance of coming to an agreement.
Did the Dodgers ask about Gorman and Donovan and Nootbaar and Edman, too? If they didn’t, they aren’t doing their job. But that isn’t making the news, because it happens all the time.
Only when the LA media began salivating over Arenado because he is a superstar and a local guy a did this one player get singled out. And the stories get fabricated about how he is frustrated with the Cards, wants to go home and waived his no-trade only for LA. None of which is true. All of this is designed to create the impression a deal is more likely than it really is. Some can see it for what it is and others overreact. Even legitimate media write stories about it because they feel they have to cover their rear ends in case the 1% possibility actually happens.
I think the Cardinals did consider it as they should have. I am glad the asking price was high as it should have been.
The front office probably decided enough time was spent on this and it was time to pivot to working on trades that are more realistic.
Once Nolan’s career is in the books it will be interesting to see where he ranks among our top third baseman. He is already in the discussion with the big two of Boyer and Rolen. Joe Torre is probably the other guy that most would consider in top tier category, but likely a step below Boyer and Rolen as far as Cardinal career third basemen.
As far as greatest Cardinal third basemen, Rolen was as great as it is possible to be over a span of 6 years. Arenado will likely slot in similarly. Its only so meaningful to compare that to 11 or 12 or whatever for Boyer. who was probably an All Star for more years as a Cardinal than Rolan was a Cardinal. It will be a shame if NA is the only one of them to not get a ring while a Cardinal.
Yeah, Rolen didn’t get a ring until his 5th season as a Cardinal and it took Boyer a decade. As for Boyer, if Rolen and Santo are HOF 3B’men, Ken Boyer certainly belongs. He collected more hits than Rolen and had a higher career BA than both of them. He and Santo were both awarded 5 GG’s, but Boyer’s trump card may be that he’s the only one of the three great 3B’men to have been awarded a NL MVP award.
I can’t argue with the 3B you guys mentioned but we all tend to gravitate to the players that were playing as we came of age, which for me was Reitz and Pendleton with a little bit of Oberkfell mixed in.
I didn’t get to see Boyer play so I would have to rank Rolen number 1. He was just a little bit steadier with the glove than Arenado in my opinion. Nolan can make all of the spectacular plays but sometimes struggles with the routine play.
Obie’s a guy than rarely gets mentioned. He could handle the bat well, but didn’t generate near the power that you’d want from a corner IF’er. However, his glove was as solid as they come at 3B. I also always thought it was neat that he was signed as an amatuer FA. The way I was led to understand, his path to the Big Leagues started after he performed well in front of Redbird scouts at an amatuer tryout held at the SIU Carbondale campus baseball fields.
I wonder how Reitz would be remembered if he had played on good Cardinals teams. He was not especially flashy, but also didn’t make mistakes as I remember it. If he could get to it, the batter was out.
I am biased as Ken Boyer is my all-time favorite Cardinal, since he was a star when I was a kid in those impressionable days of youth. And he seemed to have a lot of cool looking baseball cards. My avatar gives that away. 🙂
He edges Rolen for me as our greatest at the hot corner, with his career work of around 60 WAR making him statistically impressive, and the MVP and World Series momentum changer grand slam in game four the capper.
Rolen was solid, even great, but was a bit fragile. For a big guy he seemed to miss more time than you would think he would. And then the silliness between him and LaRussa lead to an unhappy ending of his time here. Still great, and a solid number two at the position.
I hear a couple guys saying that comment about Rolen making all the routine plays and Arenado occasionally messing one up, but I can’t personally say I have noticed that. The only play that Arenado botched that comes to mind for me was last year against the Mets. He ranged well to his right and threw from foul territory to first and way over-threw Goldy, allowing what ended up being the tying and winning runs to score. It’s a play he usually makes, but was hardly routine. Other than that I do not remember him messing up a relatively routine chance.
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