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September 10, 2023 at 12:48 pm #233616
5:35 p.m.
RHP Dakota Hudson (6-1, 4.43) vs. RHP Dean Kramer (12-5, 3.07)
BSM // KMOX
(and Bally Sports South/Southwest Extra)September 11, 2023 at 1:46 pm #233677Are we going to see Flaherty in this series?
September 11, 2023 at 2:17 pm #233679Are we going to see Flaherty in this series?
No
September 11, 2023 at 3:06 pm #233682LF L. Nootbaar L
1B P. Goldschmidt R
2B Nolan Gorman L
3B N. Arenado R
C W. Contreras R
DH A. Burleson L
RF J. Walker R
CF Tommy Edman S
SS Masyn Winn RSeptember 11, 2023 at 3:22 pm #233683If Masyn can raise his BA 31 pts he’ll be hitting his weight.
September 11, 2023 at 5:55 pm #233690Hudson walks the first guy. Sigh.
September 11, 2023 at 5:56 pm #233691He’s put together pretty well at 5-11 180 lbs. but looks relatively small on the playing field simply because it seems like the rest of these guys are giants nowadays. Mays was listed as 5-10 175 lbs. and Aaron was of similar stature. At any rate, a lot of the players today are built like linebackers, so at first glance Winn struck me as little.
September 11, 2023 at 6:02 pm #233692Yeah 1TD, people in general are bigger today than in yester-year. Mays was solid though – built like a running back. Somewhere in an old magazine I have there is a picture of Mays in the locker room without a shirt on. The guy was buffed! Arms and shoulders looked like a weight lifter.
September 11, 2023 at 6:15 pm #233693Winn with a TOOTBLAN in the top of the second. Arenado with a throwing error in the bottom half.
September 11, 2023 at 6:18 pm #233694The thing that seems most worrying about Winn’d slow start at the dish is he’s only taken one walk in his first 20 games. It seems like the mental part is off maybe. Not sure what he does about it.
September 11, 2023 at 6:33 pm #233695Yeah, I think I’ve seen that photo, Bikemike. Mays was in no way shape or form built cheap…And Aaron was the same way. Just watching Hank’s rip when he connected told you he had enough strength in his wrists alone to power up an entire neighborhood. At any rate, some of these guys today look as big as a ship.
September 11, 2023 at 6:40 pm #233696
KeepComingBackParticipantWinn started slow at aaa than picked it up. This is even harder. Hopefully we see an uptick the next couple of weeks.
September 11, 2023 at 7:26 pm #233700Hudson out after 4 1/3 with a one-run lead. Bases loaded for Pallante. What could go wrong?
September 11, 2023 at 7:28 pm #233701So much for a ground ball. Grand slam puts StL down 8-5.
Grand Slam by Cedric Mullins to give the Orioles the lead!
(via @Orioles)pic.twitter.com/Ic3ZIzKdft
— FOX Sports: MLB (@MLBONFOX) September 12, 2023
September 11, 2023 at 7:29 pm #233702Don’t ask what could go wrong anymore Brian.
September 11, 2023 at 7:31 pm #233703
KeepComingBackParticipantSure seems we’ve gotten the worst possible result out of our relievers a lot this year.
September 11, 2023 at 7:34 pm #233704I guess so. Pallante has pitched in a team-high 56 games. He is 0-for-5 in save situations and has 13 holds. 40.5% of his inherited runners have scored this season (15 of 37). The bullpen average is 31.3%. So he doesn’t seem the optimal choice to take over a bases-loaded situation.
P.S. Looking at the numbers, only Helsley and Romero look good, plus King (1-for-7, 14.3%). Gallegos is worse than Pallante at 46.4% with VerHagen at 34.5%.
September 11, 2023 at 7:44 pm #2337051982 willie
ParticipantSad to see the oriole fans aren’t supporting their team. I felt the Orioles had a real good shot at being pretty good this year. Ive always kind of pulled for them even though I don’t consider myself a fan. Not a good start for Hudson but facing a quality team. At least our bats have been getting better lately, mostly anyway.
September 11, 2023 at 7:50 pm #233707I guess so. Pallante has pitched in a team-high 56 games. He is 0-for-5 in save situations and has 13 holds. 40.5% of his inherited runners have scored this season (15 of 37). The bullpen average is 31.3%. So he doesn’t seem the optimal choice to take over a bases-loaded situation.
P.S. Looking at the numbers, only Helsley and Romero look good, plus King (1-for-7, 14.3%). Gallegos is worse than Pallante at 46.4% with VerHagen at 34.5%.
So, with the Cardinals supposed focus on analytics, they can’t figure this out this late in the year.
Maybe the Cardinals should fire the analytics staff.
September 11, 2023 at 7:53 pm #2337081982willie, I agree. I expected to see more fans in the seats for a first place team, even on a Monday in September…
September 11, 2023 at 8:00 pm #233709A lot of it hasn’t made sense LA. With some of the lineups we’re seeing, and pitching moves, it seems like maybe Ollie isn’t getting any input from upstairs and he’s just making it up as he goes. Maybe they all took off already.
September 11, 2023 at 8:38 pm #233710I just checked the home attendance numbers for the Orioles this season and they didn’t begin to draw what I would call even a decent amount of fans until about the beginning of August. I was surprised to see that simply because they showed signs in ’22 of being a much improved team and have certainly displayed that they are by featuring the best W/L record in the AL. At any rate, they’ve proven they’re a good team and I would have thought attendance would have been better than it is.
September 11, 2023 at 8:49 pm #233711The Os must have far fewer season ticket holders than the Cards. Either that or they report actual gate. The Cards reported attendance is never very low no matter how empty the stadium is.
September 11, 2023 at 9:19 pm #233712They had some really bad attendance figures in the first three months with numerous games in the 10 to 15K range. Looked like the skeptics started to have a little faith by the tail end of July and into August when they routinely started to draw over 20K per game. I can’t imagine an O’s fan converting over to a fan of the DC team, but the Nats are close by so I guess that could create some competition for fan dollars.
September 12, 2023 at 8:45 am #233727It seems like it would have been more useful to see Hudson pitch in that bases loaded situation rather than Pallante. When you are out of contention you can do that. Ollie passed on a chance to find out something he needed to know for next year. Maybe that isn’t his job.
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