2023 StL Game #143: Sunday, September 10 at Reds

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    Brian Walton
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    12:10 p.m.
    LHP Miles Mikolas (7-10, 4.63) vs. RHP Hunter Greene (3-6, 4.75)
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    #233597
    ZTR
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    Mikolas could use a good, clean start. It’s been pretty rough with him lately.

    #233598
    blingboy
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    Agreed ZTR. It seems possible Miles is wearing down toward the end of the season. If so, it is something that would factor in if we are ‘competative’ next year. I hope he gets a second wind.

    #233607
    jj-cf-stl
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    20 outs, 3 ER vs ATL. Keep it up!

    #233609
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    Day game today so I’ll get to watch it in real time. Soon as I’ve finished tucking into a din-din of roast beef and Yorkshire pudding with baked potatoes, carrots and a salad, I’ll probably bring my apple crisp dessert into my library to enjoy in front of the screen. Our birds have provided some fun baseball on this road trip. Rah Cardinals!

    #233612
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    CF L. Nootbaar L
    2B Tommy Edman S
    1B A. Burleson L
    3B N. Arenado R
    LF T. O’Neill R
    DH Luken Baker R
    RF J. Walker R
    C A. Knizner R
    SS Masyn Winn R

    #233615
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    We’ve been winning the last game of the series lately. Maybe we can do it again today. I see Goldys sitting today. Went 0fer yesterday. Seems like when any of our guys are out any legnth of time it takes em 2 weeks to be able to hit a ball again.

    #233620
    blingboy
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    What? No hits through three innings. Off with their heads.

    #233623
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    So far, Winn has not been terribly impressive. I know, I know, he’s young, inexperienced, etc. etc.

    #233624
    14NyquisT
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    Through 7 and down 6-1. Oh well off to BAL.

    #233625
    858booyah
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    Beer league lineup with Baker and Burleson. Mail it in Marmol is at it again. 1 hit today so far.

    Winn needs a day off.

    Where is Palacios

    #233626
    blingboy
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    We got one hit. They should be running the stairs for a couple hours.

    I think we should be concerned about Mikolas.

    #233629
    ZTR
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    Yeah on Mikolas.

    Other than he’s already ‘under control’ why are we happy to have him as one of our starting 5 next year?

    #233630
    Wooster
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    He only gives up one run an inning.

    #233632
    blingboy
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    Mikolos has been good enough in the past, but he just turned 35 and it would not be shocking if he is running out of gas. Counting on him to hold down a mid rotation spot, or any rotation spot, all year would not be a smart bet. It is unfortunate that guys like Graceffo and McGreevy, who were pencilled in for 2024, aren’t rounding into what we will be needing to replace Wainwright, Monty and probably Mikolos. Its also unfortunate that Liby and Thompson seem marginal.

    #233639
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    He’s thrown a lot of innings this year. Maybe he is running on empty. Maybe the defense hasn’t been as good in the past and that has lead to more runs being scored on him. The shift has been abolished He has given up a lot of hits in the past.

    I wouldn’t just write him off yet. He may be a 4.50 ERA guy moving forward with 170-180 inning pitched.

    #233640
    blingboy
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    He may be a 4.50 ERA guy moving forward with 170-180 inning pitched.

    So, Jake Westbrook.

    #233643
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    What to do with Mikolas next year very much depends on the three wonderful new starting pitchers Mo has promised us.

    #233644
    blingboy
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    We will get “three wonderful new starting pitchers” in the same way that payroll went up.

    #233645
    KeepComingBack
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    We will get “three wonderful new starting pitchers” in the same way that payroll went up.

    I would rather him simply waste Bill’s money on second tier fa’s than to waste our upcoming high draft choices and trading our young core talent. How many teams have we seen fail with this strategy the Cardinals are talking about? He did right at the trade deadline. Continue down that path. At least that way there’s hope beyond 2024.

    #233646
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    I still believe that the World Baseball Classic had a lot to do with the dismal showing of our pitching staff and the underperformance of many of our start players. This year we had more of our top-tier players spread across the world participating in this “tournament” than ever before and, therefore, not experiencing their normal Spring Training regimen. THe classic is a very high-intensity, lay-it-all-on-the line tournament held in a short amount of days. It is very taxing, not to mention the players are under different styles of managers and practices. You can’t tell me that it did not take some kind of toll on the players, both physically and mentally!

    While I am disappointed in the level of play our Cardinals have provided this year, I also don’t kid myself into thinking that I can manage or play at the level these guys are expected to day-in and day-out. How many of you that are on here bashing a player or a pitcher every time they “fail” never fails at your daily job! Or for that matter how many of you ever put on a MLB uniform and hit or pitched. If you have, I value your input but if not then everything you say is just the opinion of another armchair quarterback.

    Be passionate about your team but don’t be mean or disrespectful to the players who are doing something that we will only dream about doing!

    #233653
    blingboy
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    TNR, I think that the WBC along with the new pitching and hitting coaches and replacing Yadi with a guy from outside the organization all combined to the horrible first half.

    #233670
    KeepComingBack
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    Tnr I agree that it’s not necessary to name call. And there’s no need to pound away at the mistakes and weaknesses that exist. And no, there’s none of us doing this professionally. But there’s plenty whom have watched a lot of ball and are educated enough to have informed opinions that have some degree of accuracy. It’s false to say that just because you don’t have one of those dream jobs, that your views and opinions don’t matter.

    #233671
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    They have a talent and they get obscene money for that. Name calling not good holding them accountable for subpar performance absolutely.

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