2023 StL Game #138: Tues., Sept. 5 at Braves

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    Of course he is. You can place him anywhere on the field and he’s one of the best defensive weapons out there and I’m reasonably certain that can’t be said for any other GG award winning mitt on this team or possibly any other. Place Arenado in CF or even 2B? Nope. Goldschmidt anywhere but 1B? Of course not. Place O’Neill at 2B or SS? Laughable…Eddie’s a defensive freak.

    #233234
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    Haha!…Yeah Bikemike, I’ll bet Eddie’s got a knuckle curve tucked away somewhere!

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    Yep 1td and I think he is under-appreciated.

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    “Eddie is a defensive freak”

    Quote of the week!

    #233237
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    We are making this one a little too exciting. But that is the story of 2023. We are a club where it ain’t won until it’s won, and that doesn’t happen too often.

    If you play the Cardinals, no deficit is too much to over come.

    #233238
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    That half inning got a little dicey. Once the Braves line-up starts ripping the baseball, they may not stop until sometime next weekend.

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    The baseball just rockets off his bat. It’s more like a silo than a baseball bat.

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    Gorman almost certainly will collect 80 or more RBI’s in his sophmore season and with 26 HR’s at present, I don’t think it’s at all out the realm of possibilities that he also taters up 30 times in his second season. I just have a feeling he’s going to generate some serious power numbers before his career’s over.

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    I forgot Helsley was on the team…

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    That’s a winner! Two in a row!

    #233243
    jj-cf-stl
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    Hopefully this means Gorman has shaken the rust off.

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    Good to see Walker and Gorman hitting vs a good team. Need to get Winn going. Top prospect batting ninth is unsightly.

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    Winn has proven nothing.

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    Good to see Helsley pitching. Now next spring won’t be such a mystery.

    Next year’s team will enter the season with more question marks than I can ever recall and with more to prove than any team since 1991 or maybe even 1979.

    Almost half the pitching staff is up in the air and we have many young position players that will be relied on to improve / continue to improve.

    Injuries are also a wildcard. I don’t know if the Cardinals suffer more than other clubs do but it sure does feel like it.

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    Brian Walton
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    For those who care about home plate umpiring, these guys do a good job of tracking and summarizing.

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    Winn being rushed to the mlb level is a bad idea. not only is his confidence taking a big hit, but his offense is not helping the team at all..?
    15 games in, 51 AB’s, only 1 walk, .157 avg, with a .173 on base %
    I think this is what they did to Carlson as well.

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    I think this is what they did to Carlson as well.

    And Libertore and Herrera. Rushing guys like Libby and Thompson to AAA same thing. Connor Thomas had 60 innings of pro experience when he moved to AAA.

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    It’s good to see Walker and Gorman hitting. There is a serious need for offense next year with Goldy and Arenado appearing to be in the regression phase of their careers. Someone has to step into that 140 or better OPS+ slot to anchor the offense. Now if they could only be a touch better with the glove…

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    I am not worried about Winn, Gorman or Walker. They are the future and their time will come.

    Really like what I see of Winn on defense. Athletic and a great arm. Yeah his confidence is taking a hit with the slow start to his hitting, but that is to be expected. Keep giving him the reps and make him the full time shortstop in 2024.

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    Eddie is a way better SS than Winn.

    #233290
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    Pretty sure I’ve watched all 15 games in which he’s been manned up at SS and I’d say his arm, range and mitt seem to be good enough with the arm being what I’d term as outstanding. Whether or not he can hit Big League pitching is still up for debate as reflected by a .157 avg. in only 53 PA’s. He won’t stand in the box enough times for me to make any sort of judgement in regards to his bat this season simply because there’s not enough games left to allow him to collect at least 250 to 300 PA’s, which in my view is the lower end of what’s needed to form any sort of informed guess as to his ability to swing the bat well enough to occupy a slot in a Big League line-up. At any rate, I think he’d do much better both in the batter’s box and the left side of the IF if he’d simply lose the adorable multicolored beaded necklaces he seems to enjoy sporting while on the field of play…Haha!

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    Eddie is a way better CF than SS. Put him in CF until they trade him.

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    With some reps, Edman would probably be better at any position than who ever else we’ve got.

    #233296
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    In my view Edman possesses more ability to play either of the two middle IF positions than he does any OF position. Moreover, although he’s one of my favorite Redbird players to come around in a while, I’m still a little disappointed that he couldn’t smother Segura’s bleeder in the visitor half of the 9th in game 1 of last season’s NLWCS. For a split nanosecond after seeing the GB produced from the off balance swing heading towards the right side of the IF, I thought to myself, “Eddie’s got this! He’s going to save us!” It just wasn’t meant to be. If he smothers that baseball and prevents the tying and lead runs from crossing HP or somehow starts a game ending GIDP, he goes down in Redbird lore as making one of the greatest Cardinal defensive plays of all-time. He just couldn’t quite squeeze it cleanly and make the play, but I sure thought he was going to. I’ve always thought that making plays of that stature during critical moments in important games is what seperates very good baseball players from great ones.

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    Hard for me to say whether Edman is better at short than Winn – but Winn will likely be better as he plays on a regular basis. He looks like his range is greater than Tommy’s, and his arm is a lot better. Being so much younger and less experienced gives Winn a disadvantage right now, but I don’t think it will take Masyn too long to eclipse him as a shortstop.

    Winn could be a bit of an Ozzie Smith in that he does not hit much early in his career, then picks up the pace as he matures. But it looks like his defense will play right away.

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