2023 StL Game #113: Sunday, August 6 vs. Rockies

Home The Cardinal Nation Forums Open Forum 2023 StL Game #113: Sunday, August 6 vs. Rockies

Viewing 18 posts - 26 through 43 (of 43 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #230814
    Euro Dandy
    Participant

    Free

    Yep, 1td. That was no love tap by Odor. Pretty impressive that Bats didn’t go down. Anderson went down like the Cardinals’ 2023 stock on much less of a shot.

    #230815
    CardsRedSox4Ever
    Participant

    Free

    Couldn’t even scratch out a run today. Hate to say it, but even the entertainment value of these games is low right now. Agree with the comments about the game being sterilized. 1TD- good story on Drysdale and Gibson! Not sure we’ll ever see anything like that again.

    On a different note, it looks Like our reigning MVP has given up at the plate lately. Seems like more than just a typical slump.

    #230817
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    it looks Like our reigning MVP has given up at the plate lately. Seems like more than just a typical slump.

    Goldy will be 36 next month. Most players flame out in their later 30s and don’t last until 40.

    His monthly OPS+ this season
    152 April
    143 May
    110 June
    105 July

    So the trend line is all season long so far, and he is cold to start August. But Mo and Jr love their bronze busts, and plenty of folks have their eyes glued to the rearview mirror.

    #230821
    bicyclemike
    Moderator

    Paid - Annual

    Wow, our old buddy Mr. Gomber with a solid start. He has pitched well of late, and Buddy Black is a good manager for pitchers.

    This Rays series could really be embarrassing. We have a chance Tuesday with Mikolas, who is usually competitive. But after that it might get ugly, and Tuesday could be bad as Mikolas will stumble now and then.

    As for Goldy, you wonder if this is his aging or if he is in a slump. The trend combined with his age is a legitimate concern.

    #230823
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Wow, our old buddy Mr. Gomber with a solid start.

    I saw Gomber pitch in Peotia back when it was low A. He was a man among boys there. Flaherty was in that rotation with him, and DeJong and Bader were on the team, but it was Gomber who stood out. I was sorry to see him go, but we got decent value in return. OK, pretty good value. He got a raw deal being shipped off to pitch for a terrible teams in Denver. I wonder if Mo had a choice of sending Gomber or Jack.

    #230824
    CardsRedSox4Ever
    Participant

    Free

    It seems more and more like last year was our sweet spot w/Arenado and Goldy. May not get to that level of performance again. So, to answer Rats’ question in the other thread, yes, we’ve most likely squandered Arenado’s and Goldy’s best years.

    #230838
    Brian Walton
    Keymaster

    Paid - Annual

    The fans are speaking. Beautiful August Sunday afternoon…

    #230843
    ZTR
    Participant

    Free

    Part of it is that I doubt the Rockies have many fans in StL plus both teams are really bad this year – not to mention it’s hot, humid August.

    Now, if the Cards were rolling would the fans come out? Sure.

    Most of the tickets were probably bought and paid for but under the circumstances a lot of folks just decided to stay home.

    #230845
    blingboy
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    The fans threw in the towel too.

    #230851
    Wooster
    Participant

    Free

    If the revenue drops significantly ownership will get the idea.That is a lot of empty seats.

    #230855
    1toughdominican
    Participant

    Free

    That’s the crux of the biscuit, so to speak, and I’d have to believe that many season ticket holders will think twice over the winter about whether or not they want to ante up a significant amout of money to reserve seats to watch what looks to be a team that’ll finish in last place. I read an article several seasons ago that put the number of season ticket seats sold before opening day to be in the area of 32,000. That type of number is what influences the attendance numbers placed at the bottom of a box score which have routinely been around 40,000 per game for quite some time, but the clicks of the turnstiles are the reality of how many fans want to see the team play baseball and from what I’ve been able to determine from watching games on TV, they’ve been lucky to count 12,000 fans in the seats. There’s a genuine possibility that season ticket sales could take a substantial hit this winter, and that’s what’ll get Billy’s Jr. up on his toes and paying attention.

    #230858
    gscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Maybe I am completely wrong and Goldy is headed for the Carpenter cliff. It is possible but I am not ready to make that call just yet. His overall numbers for the year are still pretty good. Let’s see how 2024 plays out. And not every player collapses in their late 30’s. Nelson Cruz actually got better. He was still receiving top 10 MVP votes as late as age 39 and was an all star at age 40. I’m not saying Goldy will duplicate that but you never know how these things will go.

    I remember back in 2018 when a lot of folks (myself included) were calling for Waino to step aside because he looked finished at age 36. What did he do? He went on to be pretty much our best starter for the next 3 1/2 years before falling off the cliff late 2022 and all of 2023.

    #230859
    Oliver
    Participant

    Free

    His overall numbers are ok but the trend by month shows a decline each month. Can he rebound? of course, will he? I don’t know.

    #230861
    1toughdominican
    Participant

    Free

    I’m with you, gscottar. I’m not near ready to make that call either. And in my view, attempting to draw any hitting paralells between Matt Carpenter and Paul Goldschmidt is not unlike comparing a 4th grade schoolgirl to a 27 year old centerfold model…The career numbers aren’t even close. And insofar as waiting to see how ’24 plays out, there’s still 49 games yet to be played in ’23, and Goldschmidt with nothing more than a couple of weeks worth of ripping the baseball like I believe he’s still capable of doing could well finish out this season with near 30 HR’s, 80 to 90 RBI’s and a decent BA near .300, which is at or near what all great hitters consistently place up on the board.

    #230863
    Oliver
    Participant

    Free

    I highly doubt Goldy will go the Carpenter route. But the monthly trend this year is worrisome.

    #230864
    1toughdominican
    Participant

    Free

    In the 5 seasons I’ve consistently seen him as a Cardinal, he’s struck me as prone to peaks and valleys, but not even all great hitters are named Pujols or Aaron. At any rate, obviously I have no idea how he’ll perform with the bat in ’24, but I’ll take my chances with him situated at 1B in ’24 before any other player in the NL with the exception of Freddie Freeman.

    #230866
    Oliver
    Participant

    Free

    I am fine with him there for 24, but please no extension.

    #230868
    gscottar
    Participant

    Paid - Annual

    Well I will grant you that Mo has not had much luck with extensions. The smart play would be to let 2024 play out and see how it goes.

Viewing 18 posts - 26 through 43 (of 43 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.