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January 10, 2021 at 9:41 am #151442
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ParticipantI sense a need for some new topics to discuss. I hope that I’m not jumping the gun but since this is January it would be interesting for us to begin to get a feeling for what the rosters of the Card’s five affiliates will look like when they break camp. I am going to break up the topics into four groups: Pitching staffs – Catchers – Infielders – Outfielders and will start a “topic” for each one.
I have copied the team’s rosters right now by using the TCN matrix (the most accurate to be found anywhere). (I myself have noted the TCN poll ranking for each player included). There are many variables to consider so put your cowboy boots on and start to put your baseball acumen to use and become the one responsible for the prospects’ notifications of where to report. Feel free to add your reasons and opinions to enhance any discussions.
This exercise will no doubt give us an idea of what positions need to be added to from the outside by way of signing free agents and trades… there are some glaring ones. There will also be positions where there is a glut of prospects that can be available for trades.
There will be cuts at some point but I am going to include all the players now on the Matrix rosters. If you want you can put an asterisk next to the names of prospects that you feel will not be included in the compression? of the organization.
January 11, 2021 at 7:23 am #151489Memphis (Those who I don’t think make St. Louis at season’s start)
Woodford
Rondon
Oviedo
Parsons
Fagalde
Williams
Krucynski
Warner
Whitley
Fernandez
Elledge
Cruz
Jones
RameriezSpringfield
Liberatore (month or so AA before promotion)
Thompson (same as Liberatore)
Seijas
Roberts
Shew
Robles
Walsh
Oxnevad
Dayton
Peterson
S. Justo
Santos
EscobarPeoria
Pallante
Gragg
Locey
Ralston
Yasenka
Taveras
Leahy
Cordero
C. Thomas
Pachecho
Perreria
Aker
Sisk
Aker
?(Roach, Schmid, E. Gonzalez, Brettell, DeJesus)Palm Beach
Prater
Bedell
Gingery ( quick promotion to Hi A)+
Dalatri
F. Justo
L. Jimenez
Solano
Lunn
Beller
Lex
Guay
Lardner
N. T-Iverson
Schlesinger
? (Holba, Black, Tabata, Sommers)GCL
Cuenca
Nunez
Hence
Heredia (PB promotion)
Puello (PB promotion)
Statler
Hart
Soto
Avelino
Sanchez
Ortiz
Morenp
Garcia
Panigia
Saldana
Ettore GiuilaneliFebruary 1, 2021 at 11:49 am #15306214NyquisT
ParticipantIf we give up two of Gomber-Rondon-Woodford or all three how will that effect the starting pitching pecking order?
Having Wainwright back clarifies the St. Louis rotation situation but still leaves some competition between Martinez-Reyes-Gant-Ponce for the one remaining spot, plus an unofficial #6. Can Oviedo become that guy? It won’t surprise me in the least.
February 1, 2021 at 12:11 pm #153065
stlcard25ParticipantLosing those guys frees up some spots for others to take in Memphis, and certainly will open up room for Thompson and Liberatore to move freely to Memphis if they start well in Springfield.
In St Louis, I fully expect the rotation to be Flaherty, Waino, Kim, Mikolas and Carlos. Reyes could bump in there if he has a dynamite spring.
In Memphis, I would expect to see Woodford or Rondon (whoever doesn’t go), Oviedo, Parsons, Fagalde, Kruczynski, and maybe Warner.
In Springfield, I would think Liberatore and Thompson headline the rotation (and potentially move up halfway through the season), with guys like Seijas, Robles and Roberts, maybe Pallante or Locey, or perhaps Walsh being pert of the mix.
The others are going to be difficult to figure out and far enough away from the majors that it will probably involve a lot of surprises to us.
February 1, 2021 at 12:25 pm #153068Cabrera would like to start, also.
I could see a dynamic duo of Wainwright and Reyes pitching in tandem. Wainwright pitches the first 4 or 5
innings, and Reyes pitches the last 4 or 5 innings.I was looking forward to watching Gomber continue to develop. I think he will be missed. This trade should provide more innings for Ponce, maybe Cabrera. Gant will always get his innings, IMO.
I’m glad we’ve got plenty of good relievers. With this current mindset of starters only going 5 or 6 innings, they will be needed.
Without Hudson and Gomber, our pitching depth is not as imposing.
February 4, 2021 at 3:05 am #153349I like the pitching tandem idea! Don’t know if Schildt is ready for that much forward thinking.
Rotation: 5 starters and Starter/Long Relief/
STL: Flaherty/Kim/Mikolas/Wainwright/Martinez/PonceDeLeon
MEM: Oviedo/Woodford/Williams/Warner/Kruczynski/Bostik
SPR: Liberatore/Rondon/Thompson/Roberts/Parson/Fagalde
PEO: Robles/Seijas/Pallente/Yasenka/Gragg/Cordero
PB: Bedell/Prater/Ralston/Gingery/Jimenez/Schmid/DalatriBullpen-ish?
STL: Hicks/Miller/Gallegos/Webb/Hesley/Gant/Reyes/Cabrerra (Would love to see the last 4 get a shot to start)
MEM: Whitley/Fernandez/Elledge/Jones/Ramirez/Bosiokovic/Cruz
SPR: Escobar/Patterson/Shew/Dayton/Santos
PEO: Oxnevad/Schlesener/Walsh/Aker/Gonzalez/Leahy/Pacheco
PB: Tavaras/Brettell/Blanco/Pereira/Roach/Thomas/Lex/Justo
GCL: Statler/Heredia/Lardner/Trogrlic/Hence/Nunez/Cuenca/Villanueva/Sanchez/Beller/Hart/Puello/Paniagua/Saldana/G.J.RodriguezBring on the 1st Rd College Lefty J. Wicks or whichever college pitcher slides to them. To back fill all those starters in PB that hopefully get to move up. There’s a lot of good names in there and probably some that I missed. Not really sure what to do with guys like Sisk/Holba/Soto/J. Moreno.
February 5, 2021 at 6:42 pm #153592
dblackParticipantI believe that Bostick in no longer in the organization.
February 6, 2021 at 8:56 pm #153668Interesting. His player information on TCN has Bostick re-signed in Sept, then listed as returned to the T-Bones (Indy Lg). So is he under contract to STL but “on loan” to the T-Bones?
February 7, 2021 at 11:44 am #153726I think the T-Bones recently changed their name to the Monarchs, which is very cool from a historical perspective.
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