June 13, 2021 at 5:33 pm #163868Brian WaltonKeymasterPaid - Annual
LHP Kwang-Hyun Kim (1-4, 4.05) vs. LHP Trevor Rogers (7-3, 2.02)
BSM // KMOX // WIJRJune 15, 2021 at 8:56 am #164020
We don’t play a team with a winning record until July 5. We need to get fat while we can.June 15, 2021 at 9:12 am #164024bicyclemikeModeratorPaid - Annual
A win last night, but beyond our 39 year old ace the starting pitching fades fast. Should be better later as some guy get healthy, if they indeed do get healthy.
Sosa certainly is earning more reps. I can’t see him out of the lineup and DeJong in once Bader gets back, unless Paul suddenly starts hitting and Edmundo slumps.
The lineup is screaming for an Arenado-O’Neill-Goldschmidt 3-4-5 but Shildt does not seem to want to change anything. A case can be made that Goldy should hit better going forward, and Nolie as well. But Nolie is in his prime, and is more likely to get on a hot streak. Goldy is in a down trend, and with O’Neill providing almost a prototypical #4 bat your best lineup is as I listed above.
But I agree with Pugs’ post on the Monday game thread. There is nothing I see that gives me confidence in us contending this year. It’s more of a season to see who can play, and lay the groundwork for the future.June 15, 2021 at 4:02 pm #164043June 15, 2021 at 4:07 pm #164045
But I agree with Pugs’ post on the Monday game thread. There is nothing I see that gives me confidence in us contending this year. It’s more of a season to see who can play, and lay the groundwork for the future.
I tend to agree. We might get back in the race because of our upcoming soft schedule but I really don’t think this team is worth a heavy investment at the trade deadline. We have too many bad contracts that need to be gone. I wouldn’t mind a couple of modest upgrades at the deadline that doesn’t cost a top prospect but I wouldn’t be trading away too many prospects since obviously our minor league depth is not as strong as we thought it was. I certainly wouldn’t trade away anyone on our top 10 list.
The heavy lifting can be done in the offseason when we are finally rid of a lot of baggage.June 15, 2021 at 4:49 pm #164049RatsbuddyParticipantFree
So, do we assume we will be rid of the big contracts for Carpenter and Carlos Martinez? And are we still paying for Fowler?June 15, 2021 at 5:34 pm #164051LACardFanParticipantFree
Yes, we will be done with Carpenter.
We will most likely be done with Carlos Martinez, but they probably won’t make that decision until the end of the year. He does have a lower WHIP than Gant, Kim and Oviedo, though.
Yes, we are paying Fowler.June 15, 2021 at 5:55 pm #164052
Well I was reading an article but I can’t remember where from, but it basically said we still owe carpenter after this year, something like 2 to 3 million. It was making the same case which I agree with that we can’t throw away next year and beyond on a team that’s not ready for prime time this year. Now the one thing to he article proposed that I didn’t like was resigning carpenter to a very low salary deal like 2 million. The only way it makes sense I’d if there is a dh and I’m not really sure about that. I could see the Cardinals doing it though.June 15, 2021 at 5:57 pm #164053
Same lineup vs another lefty tonight. This time Sosa 7th, DeJong 8th. (flipped).June 15, 2021 at 6:01 pm #164054
Carp has a 2mil buyout on his club option for 2022 Willie, and he WILL NOT meet the PA qualifier to allow that option to vest.June 15, 2021 at 6:06 pm #164056RatsbuddyParticipantFree
What does it mean to Vest?June 15, 2021 at 6:08 pm #164057
Thanks for that info jj.June 15, 2021 at 6:11 pm #164058
Oh vest means basically being locked into to getting that money. He has to get those required at bats unless Cardinals choose to do it on their own.June 15, 2021 at 6:44 pm #164059
We get a lineup yet? Hoping Sosa is starting again tonight.June 15, 2021 at 6:45 pm #164060bicyclemikeModeratorPaid - Annual
I cannot see Carpenter back next year, and doubt Martinez is here as well. Plus depending on where we end up, it might be that Wainwright and Molina are playing their final season in St Louis.
Fowler’s agreement ends after this season, so he is off the books.
Still a long way to go and things could change, but the data so far shows a mediocre team that will beat the real low clubs, but cannot compete with the upper echelon teams.
But shed some salary this year, go in to next with a rotation headlined by Flaherty and Hudson, with maybe Reyes in the mix, and that is a pretty good start.June 15, 2021 at 6:47 pm #164061
1. Tommy Edman (S) RF
2. Dylan Carlson (S) CF
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
4. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
5. Tyler O’Neill (R) LF
6. Yadier Molina (R) C
7. Edmundo Sosa (R) 2B
8. Paul DeJong (R) SS
9. Kwang Hyun Kim (L) PJune 15, 2021 at 6:52 pm #164062
Well said bikemikeJune 15, 2021 at 7:01 pm #164063
Here is my SWAG on 2022 payroll. First, You gotta figure the money the team frees up losing Carpenter and Fowler will be used to pay Arenado.
The Cardinals contacts page of Baseball Reference shows that minimum contractual commitments for 2022 should be about $49M less than 2021. This assumes:
1. No arbitration amounts have been included. I am guessing this years Arb cost was about $10M. I am estimating that the 2022 total could be in the range of $15M to $20M depending who they decide to retain.
2. The team buys out Carp and CMart versus picking up the final years of their dreams (cost of $2.5M)
3. They do not re-sign Miller, Molina and Wainright.
So, I am guessing the club may have as much as $30M to pursue other player opportunities if they keep payroll flat. There will be more if they decide to let payroll grow.June 15, 2021 at 7:33 pm #164065
1. Dylan Carlson (S) CF
2. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
3. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
4. Tyler O’Neill (R) LF
5. Yadier Molina (R) C
6. Edmundo Sosa (R) 2B
7. Paul DeJong (R) SS
8. Lane Thomas (R) RF
9. Kwang Hyun Kim (L) PJune 15, 2021 at 7:34 pm #164066
What’s with Edman scratch?June 15, 2021 at 8:00 pm #164067
Torso tightness – GooldJune 15, 2021 at 8:01 pm #164068
What is going on with the Cardinal defense. That is two outfield throws that missed the cut off man in this inning. Both misses have allowed the trailing base runners to advance an extra base.June 15, 2021 at 8:05 pm #164069
Torso tightness? Just when you thought you had heard it all. I’ve got the grandkids so can’t follow the game, but it sounds like a doozy.June 15, 2021 at 8:07 pm #164070
Nice play by Sosa there.June 15, 2021 at 8:08 pm #164071
4 walks, an error, caught stealing, missed cut offs, KK racking up the pitch count, not even done with the 3rd inning.
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