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    Brian Walton
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    #318072
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    Odle has been starting, and I’m sure they’ll try to keep him there as long a possible. At the same time, I’d love to see him in the Springfield bullpen for the playoffs. The Cardinals have really been targeting the college reliever to pro starter pipeline the last few years.

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    Also, that list of standouts is one of the better ones we’ve had this year. It’s a bunch of guys who project to or we certainly hope can make a big league impact in the next three years or so. It’s fun to see Condon hit the ground running. I feel even better about that pick at the moment, although I’d be curious to hear the scouting talk from his first couple weeks in professional baseball.

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    The Cardinals have really been targeting the college reliever to pro starter pipeline the last few years.

    Hmm, I am glad you pointed that out 25. I had a vague sense that the Cardinals organization, and probably some others, might be trying different strategies in response to the rampant starter attrition that has been so prevalent throughout baseball. An obvious strategy trend has been the careful curating of workload, days between starts, modest pitch counts, etc., but that seems to have had limited success. In recent years there has been increased focus on the effect of overwork of the pitching arms early on in the youth stage while the structures are developing. There seems to be emerging science to the effect the hard and heavy use early on causes certain anatomical changes that are not conducive to long term arm health. It makes sense then that the previous focus on the Friday night starter types might lead to a high rate of acquiring arms that are already damaged to begin with. Obviously, I don’t know what the thinking is, but perhaps it is to acquire some pitchers with a different type of early pitching experience.

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    #318126
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    Is Levinson. a legit prospect?

    #318157
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    He could be CC. But not right now. He has struggled a lot this season. He came on strong at the end of last season too, coincidentally.

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    Cijntje went 6 shutout innings. 4 H, 1 BB, 90 pitches. It looks like he’s been going 80-90 all year. Sometimes hittable, sometimes not. He could be in the mix next spring.

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    #318229
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    Molina shooting up my prospect rankings

    #318257
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    Molina, Cijntje, Doyle, Franklin, and Hjerpe the likely Memphis starters to begin the year next season. That is a fantastic well to draw from when injuries eventually occur. That doesn’t even include Roby (who very likely moves to relief to manage innings and speed along his time) or Eagan who is deserving of a Memphis promotion now. Then there’s still Fajardo who is knocking on the door for Memphis now plus Brandt Thompson and Hansen who have both generally held up solidly at Memphis. And still after all that you have Odle and Braden Davis who may be starting in Memphis at some point next season. The depth is finally growing into measurable depth.

    #318260
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    The depth is finally growing into measurable depth.

    Yes the system is moving in the right direction for sure. By next year it could start becoming a top system in real life land rather than just in wonk spreadsheet land. It does still remain to be seen what guys are going to look like when they pop up on the ML roster. So far there has been both reason for optimism and reason for concern in that regard. I am confident the best is yet to come, soon hopefully.

    #318261
    Brian Walton
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    bling said:

    By next year it could start becoming a top system in real life land rather than just in wonk spreadsheet land. It does still remain to be seen what guys are going to look like when they pop up on the ML roster.

    It is very true that prospects are just prospects until they are major leaguers. However, that is the case for EVERY system. All 30 are in the same boat.

    So, the relevant question is, “Are the Cards better positioned than most systems?” not, “Do the Cards have a bunch of sure things?”

    My point is that one must judge all systems equally. Or if not, please explain why other systems should be better ranked.

    Of course, ranking the systems after the fact would be a much more exact process, but 100% hindsight isn’t the point.

    #318269
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    I get your point Brian, but try to imagine looking at it from the vantage point of someone who knows next to nothing about the other 29 systems. I have to equate top ranked with effectiveness. MLB is full of stars, of impact players, of top end starters, good relievers and they all came from somewhere. As I have said, I am hopeful and optmistic about the system, but I am not putting the cart before the horse. That somewhere I mentionaed is looking like it could soon be here rather than somewhere else. When is the last time we had two homegrown 100 RBI guys in the middle of the lineup? I like the starters coming. The results could be top ranked before too long. But that last hurdle is high and is yet to be cleared.

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    Do t forget Eagan

    #318283
    Brian Walton
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    bling, but again, you are looking at the Cardinals in a vacuum. By your definition, NO SYSTEMS can more effective than the Cardinals because NONE of the players have reached MLB yet.

    You disparage those who rank farm systems as “wonks” with “spreadsheets” as if they don’t scout players and have many industry contacts.

    But since you (and I) readily admit that we don’t know the other 29 systems well enough to rank them, why cannot we accept the word of those organizations who study farm systems as their business? They believe the Cardinals are one of the better systems in MLB. We all know that may or may not translate to 100 RBI success later on, or any other measure.

    You can’t seem to allow yourself to accept a future indicator that is good because by definition it hasn’t happened yet. I see that as a shame.

    #318285
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    I think you cannot see my point. Impact players have been coming from other systems more than from ours, therefore other systems are better than ours. As of this moment. A year from now, our system might be one cranking them out. Then it will be better than the others. Effectiveness is my measure, not adding up WAR of teens in A level, or whatever it is they think matters.

    #318312
    Brian Walton
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    No, I can see your point. It is plain wrong. It would be like piloting a boat by following its wake. What systems did in the past is IRRELEVANT to the players of today.

    It is very simple. Look at the potential of the players there NOW.

    I cannot possibly disagree with you more. You have created your own way to rank farm systems that is unlike how the rest of the world does it.

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    #318316
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    It is nuance perhaps, but I think system strength relates not to how good the current prospects pan out on paper, but rather to how much impact they will eventually have in MLB. So, how to see into the future and predict what impact is going to come out the end of the pipe? Your idea is to look at spreadsheets, mine is to look at results that the system has been achieving. Results identify a bad system or a good one.

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    Another prospect we don’t talk about is Crossland. Since being promoted to Peoria he a 1,42 era in 5 games. He has walked fewer batters as well.

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    forsch31
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    Bling, how can you rate a system on past results when the entire system has been overhauled in the last 24 months?

    #318330
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    Yeah agree with Forsch. The group acquiring and developing the players isn’t even the same as the prior regimes and their failures shouldn’t impact how you evaluate the current prospects.

    #318350
    Brian Walton
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    So let me get this straight. You want to look at won-loss records that are aggregates of six or seven affiliates totaling over 200 players when only 10 or 12 of them will eventually reach the majors.

    That is not only ridiculous but is precisely the spreadsheet management that you ridicule.

    Or do you mean MLB record? That is the aggregate of 35 or 40 players each year who range in age from 22 to 36. They were acquired in different ways over a 10 to 15 year period with wildly different payrolls across the 30 teams. Trying to connect that somehow to a farm system is a given year would be a fools errand.

    And what about players developed here who were traded away? Etc. Etc.

    It might be time to stop digging.

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