StL 2024 Game #145 thread – Wednesday, Sept. 11 vs. Reds

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    Brian Walton
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    6:45 p.m.
    RHP Lance Lynn (6-4, 4.06) vs. LHP Brandon Williamson (0-0, 2.25)
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    #267045
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    It’s been another disappointing season for Redbird fans but, things could certainly be a little bit worse…The White Sox have lost 113 games and with 16 games still remaining on their schedule, there’s a very good chance that they will eclipse the modern record of 120 losses set by the 1962 NY, Mets. Everyone remembers “Marvelous” Marv Thorneberry, but the 1962 Mets were a team that also had 3 future HOFer’s named, Casey Stengel, Gil Hodges and Richie Ashburn.

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    The Amazin’s!

    #267050
    Brian Walton
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    And the 2024 White Sox won two of three from the Cardinals…

    #267054
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    Thanks for reminding us Brian. Just 7 years after their “Amazin” season, they became the miracle Mets, beating the great Baltimore team 4-1 in 1969.

    https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/worst-mlb-records-last-10-years

    I thought the A’s would be worse. Another thought, the Angels were 100 games under with Albert and all the rest of that talent they hired. The Cardinals are at a crossroad. Clearly there’s more to it than just throwing money at players. Which we aren’t going to do anyway. It’s time to give Mo credit for giving us a winning program over his tenure. But the game has changed and he hasn’t changed with it. These decisions we make now will dictate the future of the Cardinals for the next decade. If Bill is all in on Bloom, lets hope he is the right guy for the job.

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    Lynn should be ‘fresh’. Looking for a complete game, three hit shutout from him today.

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    But the game has changed and he hasn’t changed with it

    I disagree with this, I think, although it might be just stating it different. The game hasn’t changed that much. What has changed, evolved really, is the science and technology in use by organizations, and the ways in which the science and technology associated with analytics, biomechanics and whatever else is integrated into all aspects of how a system operates. I think Mo and his inner circle got ran over by it.

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    If the game hadn’t changed Bling, Mo would still be a good pobo. But you said it so much more eloqently, and I admire the effort.

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    In watching the game on Bally last night I was stuck with the Red’s announcers and they had quite a bit to say about Walker and what a mechanical mess his swing is.

    Last week, Jim Edmonds also commented on the issues Walker’s open stance caused him with sliders away – and you can see him swing and miss at this pitch every single at bat he takes because – as big as he is – mechanically he cannot cover that pitch with his current hitting approach.

    It sure looks like the Cardinals have made a complete mess of Walker at the plate and I don’t think trying to convert him to an outfielder at the major league level last year helped either.

    He’s just not a good outfielder – I’m not sure he’s even an average one and may never be ….

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    Until he finds a way to get to that outside pitch he is an easy out for most major league pitchers.

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    bicyclemike
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    Yep, I have said for awhile now that Walker’s stance and swing do not look like they will translate to success at the major league level. He is off balance and lunges. If he gets a pitch in his wheelhouse he can launch it due to the leverage he possesses, but he’s really not at all able to put power onto pitches on the outer half nor down in the zone. He needs to balance out more on the left leg and close his stance a bit. You want to generate power to the barrel of the bat, but he depends totally on leverage.

    On another note, why are they even starting Lynn at this point? We should be starting McGreevy and Greceffo every five days the rest of the way. This organization is as messed up and Walker’s hitting approach.

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    It sure looks like the Cardinals have made a complete mess of Walker at the plate and I don’t think trying to convert him to an outfielder at the major league level last year helped either.

    He’s just not a good outfielder – I’m not sure he’s even an average one and may never be ….

    I blame the player as he doesn’t seem to be good at anything he does at this level except look pretty when he does hit a home run.

    Oh and yeah right on Lynn. We’ll be lucky to get 5 IP 4 ER out of him. How many have the reds taken from us recently?

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    SS Masyn Winn R
    DH Luken Baker R
    1B P. Goldschmidt R
    3B N. Arenado R
    LF B. Donovan L
    RF J. Walker R
    2B T. Saggese R
    C Pedro Pages R
    CF M. Siani L

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    I hope and pray whoever is the manager next year that they know at least a little bit about lineup construction. Obviously Marmol has proved over and over again he doesn’t.

    And I will get to watch the game tonight. Last night I had to watch the big debate so I was switching back and forth. Won’t have to worry about that tonight.

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    Rat I am not sure what kind of a lineup you think can be constructed with the roster we have. We do not have a good leadoff hitter, we have no good #2 hitter vs lefties, we have no middle of the order power, and the down in the order hitters are down in the order hitters. Shuffling that around is not going to matter.

    #267082
    Brian Walton
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    From Cardinals media relations:

    St. Louis has played 96 games (66.7%) this season decided by three runs or fewer, tied with Milwaukee and Tampa Bay for most in Major League Baseball … The Cardinals lead MLB with 54 wins decided by three or fewer runs…

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    Brian Walton
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    Some kind of good news if you go on the past… again from the Cardinals…

    Lynn brings a career mark of 9-1 at Busch Stadium against the Reds and is 13-5
    overall … His nine career wins over the Reds at Busch Stadium III are
    the most of any Cardinal, while his 13 career victories against Cincinnati
    are his most against any opponent.

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    So Media Relaions is letting us know that when we win, we don’t win by much, and when we lose, we get blown out. The .500 record and big negative run differential already told us that.

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    Lynn should be ‘fresh’. Looking for a complete game, three hit shutout from him today

    LOL…good one!

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    Walker flied out to right there in the second. I take it he got an outside pitch off the end of the bat. Probably a can o corn.

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    I’ve never been on the Saggese bandwagon. I’m willing to get on it though if he does anything.

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    bicyclemike
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    Arenado puts one over the wall to break the scoreless streak against Redleg pitchers at 12 1/3 in this series. A young fan makes a nice grab of it, resulting in a review.

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    Carter Le Grand
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    Cardinals lead MLB with 54 wins decided by three or fewer runs

    That’s surprising. Don’t know if it’s good or bad tho’

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    mudville
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    The most important move the Cardinals can make this offseason is extending Helsley.

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    858booyah
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    I don’t care how many 9th inning doubles in the month of September he hits. Goldy should not be on this team next year. (Yes I know it was the 8th.)

    Team really needs to find some offense via trade or FA next year. I believe trade will be the route they end up going but I don’t think it’s enough with what they expect back even if they do bring someone into the fold. Unless you get something out of people who have floundered this year. Assuming those people are still around and what talent has shown out this year.

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