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The Cardinals have no finalists for the various Players Choice Awards. Winners will be announced November 2.
https://www.mlbplayers.com/post/finalists-announced-for-the-2023-players-choice-awards
The official results of AL and NL MVP, Cy Young, Rookie of the Year, Manager of the Year, Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers, etc. will occur in November about 10 days after the World Series ends. I haven’t seen a detailed schedule yet.
Of course, “finalists” lists will be released earlier, intended to build up anticipation.
It all depends on the voters, rats. However, in the saber element, the SABR Defensive Index, last updated on 8/13, Arenado was a distant seventh among NL third basemen.
Ryan McMahon 10.4
Ke’Bryan Hayes 10.3
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Arenado 1.0The SDI is 25% of the GG scoring.
FMI, do the NL and AL “batting champions” still get a silver bat or did that go the way of the Louisville Slugger?
Thanks Brian. I thought the silver bat went to the “batting champion” of each league, that is the player with the highest batting average in each league, or two a year. Now it seems they have watered it down and hand one out for each position. Kind of like baseball’s expansion. More people can now say they “won” something.
The Siver Bat Trophy is awarded to the batting champion of each league. The Silver Slugger awards are a different thing.
I can remember seeing Willie McGee’s Silver bat trophy on display. It might have been at WWU I think, but memory is a little foggy. (I don’t remember which one as he was NL batting champ twice).
The SDI is 25% of the GG scoring.
Rat is probably right. I read something in the last couple years that said, while the SDI is just 25% mathematically, its real impact is probably much larger. It said the voters see the SDI numbers included on the “ballot” info (not sure if it’s paper or electronic) and that would have some influence on how they might vote. I think that makes sense.
It seems likely they would want to minimize the eye test or anything remotely intangible. At some point robo voters will do it based upon whatever the technology can measure and quantify. All very sterile.
Silver bat or not, I’m certain of one thing…The player with the highest BA and enough AB’s to qualify holds the title of that season’s Batting Champion in his respective league. If I’m a Big League hitter, that title’s good enough for me to do a little boasting…Haha!
I wonder if we should give the guy with the highest OBP the title of Plate Appearance Champion? And would that guy boast about it? Darn sure he would during next contract negotiation, hehe.
Yeah, that OBP has turned out to be the holy grail of the batter’s box these days. I still say give me the guy who hits .400 with 45 doubles along with 50 to 60 SB’s…Haha!
Tommy Edman is the only Cardinal Gold Glove finalist (top three finisher), named at the utility position. Winners will be announced on November 5.
Making plays all over the field.
Tommy Edman is a @RawlingsSports Gold Glove Finalist! #STLCards pic.twitter.com/AljBbVYIRr
— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) October 18, 2023
In my humble opinion, I would rather the voters (coaches and managers) have some data to guide them rather than voting solely based on the eye test.
The textbook example of the latter is when DH Rafael Palmeiro received a Gold Glove despite hardly playing in the field all year long.
But, yes, to some, data will always be a bogeyman, to be feared.
In my view he was more deserving of a GG than was Donovan in ’22. His performance with the mitt this season in both the IF and CF may help him to secure his 2nd GG. In any case, you can place Tommy Edman anywhere on the field and you’ll never see him wearing an oven mitt. Not even in the kitchen…Haha!
Poster Oliver provided the full list of finalists (copied here rather than starting a new thread).
PITCHER
José Berríos, TOR
Sonny Gray, MIN
Pablo López, MINCATCHER
Jonah Heim, TEX
Alejandro Kirk, TOR
Adley Rutschman, BALFIRST BASE
Nathaniel Lowe, TEX
Ryan Mountcastle, BAL
Anthony Rizzo, NYYSECOND BASE
Mauricio Dubón, HOU
Andrés Giménez, CLE
Marcus Semien, TEXTHIRD BASE
Alex Bregman, HOU
Matt Chapman, TOR
José Ramírez, CLE
SHORTSTOP
Carlos Correa, MIN
Corey Seager, TEX
Anthony Volpe, NYYLEFT FIELD
Austin Hays, BAL
Steven Kwan, CLE
Daulton Varsho, TORCENTER FIELD
Kevin Kiermaier, TOR
Luis Robert Jr., CWS
Julio Rodríguez, SEARIGHT FIELD
Adolis García, TEX
Kyle Tucker, HOU
Alex Verdugo, BOSUTILITY
Mauricio Dubón, HOU
Zach McKinstry, DET
Taylor Walls, TBNATIONAL LEAGUE
PITCHER
Jesús Luzardo, MIA
Taijuan Walker, PHI
Zack Wheeler, PHICATCHER
Patrick Bailey, SF
Gabriel Moreno, AZ
J.T. Realmuto, PHIFIRST BASE
Freddie Freeman, LAD
Carlos Santana, PIT/MIL
Christian Walker, AZSECOND BASE
Nico Hoerner, CHC
Ha-Seong Kim, SD
Bryson Stott, PHITHIRD BASE
Ke’Bryan Hayes, PIT
Ryan McMahon, COL
Austin Riley, ATLSHORTSTOP
Francisco Lindor, NYM
Dansby Swanson, CHC
Ezequiel Tovar, COLLEFT FIELD
Ian Happ, CHC
David Peralta, LAD
Eddie Rosario, ATLCENTER FIELD
Brenton Doyle, COL
Michael Harris II, ATL
Alek Thomas, AZRIGHT FIELD
Mookie Betts, LAD
Fernando Tatis Jr., SD
Lane Thomas, WSHUTILITY
Mookie Betts, LAD
Tommy Edman, STL
Ha-Seong Kim, SDThe season that Palmeiro was voted a GG after spending the vast majority of games at DH had nothing to do with data or lack of. That was the season in which voters cast their ballots from a coffee shop located on the Damrak in the city of Amsterdam…Bill Lee actually supervised the tallying of the ballots. Go figure.
How can Betts be one of the best RF’ers that I’ve seen in several years and still be a utility guy? Does he moonlight as a mantenance man at some office complex?
This year Mookie played 98 games at RF, 65 at 2B, and 14 at SS. That is obviously more than 162 so I imagine there were a few games he played multiple positions.
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