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Make your predictions. 26 players active.
1) What is your pitcher/hitter split? e.g. 13/13, 12/14, 14/12, etc..
2) Who are your pitchers?
3) Who are your hitters?
4) Who are you leaving off this round?Quintana, Mikolas, Montgomery
Wainwright, Flaherty, Hicks, Matz (L), Stratton, Pallante, Thompson (L), Gallegos, Helsley1. Donovan
2. Nootbaar
3. Goldschmidt
4. Arenado
5. Pujols
6. Dickerson
7. Carlson
8. Molina
9. EdmanDeJong, Yepez, Burleson, DeLuzio, Knizner
That leaves Gorman, Herrera, Woodford, Hudson, Romero, Naughton, Cabrera, Liberatore, Naile off. (Of guys who’ve spent a decent amount of time in St. Louis this year)
That’s my prediction. My actual lineup would be different. I don’t think the bench plays much at all, but also would carry 5 just in case. If they can’t get through 3 games with 9 relievers then they don’t win anyway. Now 2nd round, hopefully, Wainwright has to be the 4th starter and going with 4 bench and a 9th reliever makes more sense.
I really dislike the DH. I know it allowed Pujols to come back this year and they need him, but the playoff roster construction and strategy really takes a hit.
If the WC round goes to a 3rd game, it wouldn’t surprise me if Marmol handed Wainwright the baseball.
Assuming Helsley doesn’t need “a weekend”.
I would add one more lefty arm. I really see no reason why Adam Wainwright needs to be on this roster for WC round.
I also think it will be 12 pitchers for this round. Realistically, there are only 14 position players to choose from, so I agree with 667’s 14.
The only pitcher left off of 667’s roster that is a possibility is Woodford. He has been used almost regularly very recently, but not in leverage situations, so I don’t know. I could see him instead of Stratton, or Helmsley if he can’t go. The only thing I can think of is Ollie doesn’t like Woody’s low 4.29 K/9 and prefers someone who can miss more bats (assuming they can get it over the plate).
Hudson and Romero threw multiple innings yesterday and were sent down today.
Did anyone else wonder if there is a connection between Liberatore and Woodford throwing multiple innings today and then being left off tomorrow?
I thought Romero pitched his way off. I think at one time I’d thought he was a 3rd LH option, but then he fell apart. And they made the decision to option him knowing he’s not going to be on the roster.
I agree Wainwright could be left off for the WC round, but I don’t think they will. If they are in a game 2 or 3 where they are down and elimination is all but written we’ll see Wainwright in relief for 1 last good bye in case he decides to hang them up. Which I’m 50/50 on weather he does, but am at the point it is most likely better for the organization if he does. But, they would also have to have a clear cut guy to replace him on the WC roster if they were to leave him off and I don’t think that guy exists. But for the NLDS I think it’s between Woodford and Romero, to replace Burleson or DeLuzio, and either would only be used in emergency situations anyway, but a 3rd lefty could be handy.And I’d still like to see
1. Donovan
2. Edman
3. Goldschmidt
4. Arenado
5. Nootbaar
6. Pujols
7. Dickerson
8. Molina
9. CarlsonBut he hasn’t done it all year and I doubt the playoffs would be when he’d try it.
This might be the most boring year ever for guessing the Cards’ playoff roster. Too many players who had non-trivial roles at some point in the season have made it obvious they now don’t belong on the roster or are injured.
Woodford is the guy I think is most on the margin vis-a-vis 667’s list. Stratton is the guy I like least on that list, but I think it’s clear he is ahead of Woodford in the pecking order. Woodford doesn’t kill himself by issuing free passes. That’s why I’d prefer him over Stratton. Giving a good team a free pass in a high leverage playoff situation is similar to suicide. Pitchers prone to that will wilt under playoff pressure. It’s why the Cards lost to LA last year.
Regardless of who makes it I’d like an extra lefty out of the pen but I get if the selections aren’t stellar and why people would be gun shy throwing Packy or Matthew Liberatore.
If you’re not throwing one of the other starters then you’re good. That would mean Waino or Jack would pitch in one of the playoff games and Montgomery or Quintana would not. Not exactly feeling that with Harper and TGKS gripping and ripping.
Might Dejong have been played at 2B in preparation for a decision between him or Gorman on the roster?
Mo/Ollie – MOllie :-] – Might be OK with Edman/Donovan shortstop coverage, for the 3 game series at least.The question of filling the last couple pitching slots is kind of distressing. We are not talking about having to leave off somebody who has been good. Rather, which unreliable guy do we hope for a the best with. I don’t think it matters that much. If we are going to win this series it will be with strong starts and the front of the pen.
The business bottom line is simple. If you are going to start 3 starters, carry 3 maybe 4. As much as I hate to admit it, if Waino isn’t going to start why would he be on the roster. Taxi sqaud..?
Woodford has been one of the most solid pitchers, regardless of the situation: starting, holding score close for a comeback, getting dbl plays, mop up..whatever he has been asked to do he has done very well!
As far as the k’s..? if you can get 3 outs with ground balls on 3-6 pitches, vs. 3 outs with k’s, but needing 12-15 pitches..seems like a no brainer to me. Woodford rarely gives up solid hits, and the hits he does give up are usually weak contact type..like last night, the ball hit to DeJong at 2nd, he fields the ball rushes the throw not even close to first.. Ruled a HIT..?? Edman/Wong make that play in their sleep, DeJong simply playing the wrong position last night.
Whatever they do with the roster I suppose someone will be upset.Just to clarify, because Romero was optioned out this week, the only way he could go on the Wild Card roster would be for him to replace an injured player. He and Hudson are basically eliminated.
Not many roster predictions being shared here…
Lee…I’ve asked myself the same question in regards to Wainwright and I’m certain the answer has nothing to do with the term, taxi squad. If this first round WC series extends to 3 games, I wouldn’t be entirely astounded if Marmol hands the baseball to Adam Wainwright to start that win or go home contest.
13 Pitchers for the Post Season.
Player W-L ERA G IP ER HR BB SO WHIP AVG
Helsley 9-1 1.25 54 64.2 9 6 20 94 0.74 .128
Quintana 3-2 2.01 12 62.2 14 1 16 48 1.12 .238
Thompson 1-1 2.08 22 34.2 8 3 14 27 0.98 .164
Woodford 4-0 2.23 27 48.1 12 1 11 24 1.12 .249
Stratton 5-0 2.78 20 22.2 7 0 12 23 1.50 .262
Gallegos 3-6 3.05 57 59.0 20 6 18 73 1.02 .197
Montgomery 6-3 3.11 11 63.2 22 6 13 61 1.08 .232
Pallante 6-5 3.17 47 108.0 38 9 40 73 1.42 .274
Mikolas 12-13 3.29 33 202.1 74 25 39 153 1.03 .226
Wainwright 11-12 3.71 32 191.2 79 16 54 143 1.28 .261
Flaherty 2-1 4.25 9 36.0 17 4 22 33 1.61 .259
Hicks 3-6 4.84 35 61.1 33 5 35 63 1.32 .210
Matz 5-3 5.25 15 48.0 28 8 10 54 1.25 .256I think it would be between Stratton and Woodford, and personally I would sit Stratton because his
BB rate, Avg, ERA and WHIP are all higher.I’m starting the Lizard King, Q and Monty.
Bullpen is Helsley, Gio, Flaherty, Waino, Woodford, Hicks, Pallante, Matz, and Thompson
Lineup is Donovan, Noot, Goldy, Arenado, Pujols, Edman, Dickerson (sigh), Yadi, Carlson
Bench is Yepez, Burleson, Deluzio, Knizner, Gorman
I’m going with Woodford over Stratton for the last bullpen spot. By results, you could probably exclude Waino but they won’t.
I’m also trusting Gorman more than Dejong if I need someone to pinch hit late. I’m sure they will carry Dejong, though.
stlcard25…I’m hoping Marmol doesn’t know this, but of all the Cardinal hitters who have faced the Philadelphia game 1 SP’er Zach Wheeler, the most successful is DeJong who is 4 for 9 with 2 HR’s.
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