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There was some chatter about the Cardinals being possibly interested in Segura. Whatever the case that’s no longer a feasible option on up grading the infield as the Mariners have agreed to send Segura (pending if he waives his NTC which apparently he will now with Cano being traded) to the Phillies for JP Crawford.
I think this thread should be renamed DiPoto – as we still have two possible ways of trading Dexter Fowler to Seattle (Seager or Bruce)…
Plus, we may move JMart there for somebody, as they still don’t have a DH…
Actually, it looks like the Mariners are acquiring Santana.
So, after all the trades:
– they have an OF of Haniger, Mallex Smith & Jay Bruce
– they have an IF of Carlos Santana (DH), Healy/Vogelbach (1B), Dee Gordon (2b), JP Crawford (SS) and Kyle Seager (3B)If DiPoto stops trading and transitions to acquiring free agent pitchers, he’s an absolute genius.
I am curious who connected the Cardinals and Segura. I had not seen that. Please share a link. I’d like to read about it from the original source. Thanks.
I think I had only seen it as speculation as what the Cardinals could do…
It’s fun watching the ebb and flow on the Mariners message boards as details trickle out about the trade…At first, it sounded like they were getting Haseley for taking on Santana’s contract, which would be quite a good move, now it sounds like there might be another Seattle player going to Philadelphia in the deal, which has everybody up in arms…
Speaking of hoarding, DiPoto is hoarding all the bad contracts we can swap Fowler for…(Seager, Bruce, Santana)
If he acquires Greinke + Goldschmidt, I’ll think he is putting the squeeze on Mozeliak…
Waiting for BHC to stop back by, I did a Google news search on Segura and Cardinals. I found two articles from the Belleville News Democrat from two days ago and one from Sunday from some place called Medium.com.
One is a blog post that says “The STL Cardinals need to keep Paul DeJong at shortstop and not trade for Jean Segura.”
The other is a video slideshow of bullet points about Segura. Its caption says: “Jean Segura, currently of the Seattle Mariners, would make an interesting trade target for the St. Louis Cardinals during the 2018-2019 MLB baseball offseason.” Seems fair.
However, the title of the latter on the Google search result says this:
Jean Segura is offseason target for St Louis Cardinals | Belleville …
Further, the last slide of the show says this: “Some analysts believe Segura would approve a trade to the Cardinals.” Pulled straight out thin air. What analysts? Where did they say this?
In other words, someone has decided Segura is a target, though there is no apparent source.
Whatever Medium.com is, that article from Sunday is entitled: “It’s Time for the Cardinals to Go Get Jean Segura”. It is clearly an opinion piece.
This is feeling like another made up rumor.
Here is the Google search which includes links to these three articles. Again, it is just “Jean Segura” Cardinals in Google News. That brings up more recent content.
BHC, as I posted above, those are not rumors. Those are bloggers thinking out loud about trades they would like to see (or in the one case, a trade he did not want to see). Not from real reporters. Not real news.
P.S. Nothing against you personally. It is just that this kind of thing is a pet peeve of mine. People are so hungry for news, ideas get twisted into rumors that are perceived to be real and get repeated, yet no one goes back to check to see that they have no credible basis. It drives me crazy…
I did not direct that at you, though you clearly suggested the Cards may have some interest in Segura. People don’t care about word shading of “chatter” vs. “rumor” or the like. The simple fact is that there is no credible media report to connect the team and player. I guess if we are wordsmithing, it would have been clearer had you said “fan chatter”, in which case there wouldn’t be a separate thread here. A look at Twitter indicates people who overreacted, which I am guessing you saw. This kind of misunderstanding on what is legitimate and what is not happens frequently this time of year, unfortunately.
Of course, this was far overshadowed by all the Twitter “excitement” over the fact that the paths of Nelly and Bryce Harper crossed when the latter went to the former’s concert in his hometown, and the rapper said he would like to see Harper a Cardinal. I bet Scott Boras cares. Maybe he dropped Harper’s price by $50 million or so! 😉
Anyway, back to the subject itself, to me the whole concept of the Cardinals trading for another middle infield starter given all their other far more pressing needs makes no sense at all. Sure, they could put Segura at short and move DeJong to third. But would that really make the team substantially any better than if they just played Gyorko?
If Dejong didn’t exist, I would have liked to make a run at Segura. But Dejong is superior to Segura and thus there’s not much of a reason to go after him.
The mad scientist Dipoto seems determined to turn over his entire 25 man roster from last year. King Felix may be the only one left and this is his last year of control.
We will take the Space Needle if he will take the Edward Jones Dome and a building to be named later.
Is DiPoto a latter-day “Trader” Frank Lane? Somehow “Trader” Jerry DiPoto does not have the same ring to it. Maybe he becomes “Dealin'” DiPoto?
Funny you should mention that, bikemike. Just this morning, I suggested to crdswmn that she might consider profiling Trader Lane in one of her Monday history segments. Great minds…
DeJong came out very well in defensive metrics and his plus bat makes him an asset for the Cardinals. While I would like to see the overall defense better, too, I don’t consider shortstop the primary problem. JMO.
In 2018 SABR Defensive Index:
Segura #5 AL SS – 5.0 SDI
DeJong #3 NL SS – 6.4 SDIThe #Mets are holding a press conference tomorrow — or what I have come to call 3 Jerry Dipoto trades from now.
— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) December 3, 2018
From Goold’s chat:
Q: Im sure there was some level of interest in Segura. How much interest did the Cards have to your knowledge? He would have been a different look at a 3B option for sure.
A: There didn’t seem to be, no. Cardinals have been pretty constant in telling other teams and agents that they see DeJong as their shortstop for the coming season, and would only make a move that offers a significant upgrade. I was asking around about Segura and other shortstops when I got that answer from sources outside of the Cardinals front office. It could be that they wanted to create a firmer footing for negotiation and not appear interested, but the same tune was said by enought people that it does seem to be coming from the Cardinals.
@jaysonst This may be a bit imprecise, but ( MLB changed PTBNL wording about 2 years ago, so could be more) it appears Jerry Dipoto is responsible for ~17.5% of trades made between October 1 & March 31 the last 4 years. 45 or 257 per MLB Transactions pages. Need a double check)
— Mike Ferrin (@Mike_Ferrin) December 4, 2018
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