2017 MLB Game #153: Cards at Bucs Fri Sep 22

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  • #33601
    Brian Walton
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    Michael Wacha (12-8, 4.02) vs. Ivan Nova (11-14, 4.20) 6:05 p.m. FOX Sports Midwest

    #33688
    PadsFS
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    If Matheny goes with Gyorko this game and puts Martinez in RF, we will have an above-average hitter at every position.

    Of course, I think DeJong could use a game off. He hasn’t hit as well in September and made an error last night (I didn’t see it though)

    #33710
    Brian Walton
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    It was a bad error on a ball that never should have been thrown. It was a double play chance with the runner out at second, but the batter was already past first before DeJong threw the ball. It was way over Martinez’ head and went into the dugout.

    Perhaps the errant throw was a result of him trying too late to stop his throw. Don’t know about the latter, just a guess, but it looked to me like another example of the defense trying too hard instead of making the smart play.

    #33714
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    Looks to me like the league has caught up to DeJong. Bust him inside and he’s at a disadvantage. And the low outside breaking pitch as well. He’s almost another Grichuk at times.

    #33724
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    DeJong definitely needs to learn the strike zone. Hopefully that comes with experience. Grichuk has not learned it, despite numerous big league ABs.

    I like Martinez at first base. He’s brutal in the outfield; Chris Duncan-like. But he seems to handle first base quite well.

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    You might be correct Rat but I wouldn’t give up on DeJong yet. Despite all of the comparisons to Diaz I really think Paul is going to stick around and thrive. A better comparison is Trevor Story. His average may drop but the power is still going to be there and his defense should only improve. If we could obtain an elite SS a move to 3B might be good for DeJong.

    Another thing that will help him is to drop him down to 6th or 7th in the lineup. That should take some of the pressure off. That is why obtaining a big bat or two this offseason is so important. The guys we have hitting 3,4,5 right now really shouldn’t be. They should be in a more comfortable spot in the lineup.

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    If Jose Martinez had handled the ball cleanly getting it out of his glove then DeJong wouldnt have been rushed to try and make the play.Still was a rookie mistake but Joses inability to get the ball out of his glove was a contributing factor.

    #33794
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    Grichuk’s numbers at SS would be an above-average player, especially given DeJong is a good defensive player.

    He reminds me of Rougned Odor and young Alfonso Soriano more than anyone. Story is a good call though too.

    I fully believe Diaz will find his stroke next season though and we will be alright at SS either way.

    Looks like the lineup just posted:

    Carpenter
    Pham
    Fowler
    Martinez
    Molina
    DeJong
    Wong
    Piscotty

    #33795
    PadsFS
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    No Gyorko still, which is fine. Hopefully Piscotty steps up. I’d love to see him end the year with a bang.

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    Bottom of the 1st, Cards up 1-0 though Pirates have a runner on 2nd with only one out…

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    LoganAlpha30X7
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    Top of 2nd, Cards now up 2-0, Brewers and Cubs just getting underway and still scoreless…

    #33814
    Brian Walton
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    Bucs tied the game in the 4th and the Cards went down in the 5th on just 5 pitches.

    #33816
    Brian Walton
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    Brebbia takes over in the 6th with score still tied, 2-2. No-decision for Wacha.

    #33818
    PadsFS
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    Bowman….unreal

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    Brian Walton
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    Oddly, no one is up in the pen, so it is apparently sink or swim with Bowman with 2 on, 1 out in the 7th.

    #33821
    Brian Walton
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    Oh my. Bowman induced a tailor-made ground ball, but instead of the DP, DeJong underhanded the toss over Wong’s head. Error, run scored.

    #33822
    LoganAlpha30X7
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    Bottom of the 7th, Pirates now up 3-2, one out and runners on 2nd and 3rd…Cubs leading 4-3 in the bottom of the 5th…

    #33823
    bccran
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    Did you see what DeJong did with that ready made double play ball?
    Matheny should be fired.

    #33824
    PadsFS
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    Wow well done Bowman but awful error by dejong.

    #33825
    Euro Dandy
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    The error by DeJong was about the worst looking mistake you will see an MLBer make. LOL, it’s the kind of play that will make most beer leaguers feel better about themselves. Cards avoided disaster and gave up just one run though. Maybe DeJong will get a chance to make up for it at the plate.

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    DeJong with a rough sequence. He can’t start a routine DP, then kills an inning a few minutes later by hitting into a DP. Gotta be better at winning time, especially against bad teams.

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    Cards down 3-2 in the 9th, down to our last 3 outs, Piscotty hits a double then Bader runs for him, so runner on 2nd and no outs…Cubs and Brewers tied 4-4 in the bottom of the 6th…

    #33829
    Brian Walton
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    Gyorko made them pay with a pinch-hit RBI single. Tie game in the 9th.

    #33830
    bccran
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    Matheny started the runner, which prevented the double play and the leading run scored. Should we maybe give a little credit when credit’s due?

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    Cards push another runner across to take the lead 4-3 in the top of the 9th, 2 outs and runners on 1st and 2nd…

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