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Lineup suggestion for the next three games
1. DH Brendan Donovan 33 L
2. 2nd Thomas Saggese 25 R
3. RF Alec Burleson 41 L
4. 1st Willson Contreras 40 R
5. 3rd Nolan Arenado 28 R
6. LF Lars Nootbaar 21 L
7. SS Masyn Winn 0 R
8. C Pedro Pagés 43 R
9. CF Victor Scott II 11 LTomorrow, the Cubs put up an RHP. But the last two are left. I would like to see Saggese get a chance to prove himself. Give Winn a little less pressure at the plate and move Nolan back up.
I’d rather have Gorman than Seggase currently.
Since May 26th
.912 OPS
4 homers 11 RBI
Gorman needs to be in the lineup more even though he’s streaky. Ride him until he gets cold.
If anything Winn needs some off time.
“Ride him til he gets cold.”
Gets cold? He’s been cold for two years. With a couple three short spurts. And the Ks! Oh those Ks.
All, enjoy the lefty bats while they are here, like last nights game. There have been recent rosters that have had only Wong and Carpenter as lefty bats, making the current lefties production enjoyable.
Donny and Noot are already arb players, and who can name the last arb player we extended into his free agency? They are short timers, which this org dumps due to their mid-tier salaries, to avoid their extensions (Edman).
Burly and Gorman will be arb players next season. Just get in line boys, the history of this ownership is well established. I’m enjoying these players while I can, knowing the good ones get dumped.
With Gorman leading the team in BB%, it seems misleading just to mention his K’s.
Barrero, Segasse, Walker, Pozo, Pages, Scott, Contreras and Burleson all have a worse BB/K than Gorman, to be fair.I have faith in Burly. I do not have faith in Gorman. One mini hot streak does not make up for two years of futility. I would not mind seeing Saggese get more AB’s.
I would play Saggese in the Wednesday and Thursday games. Play him at second Wednesday, then give Winn a breather and play him at short Thursday. Could DH Masyn Thursday, but I would let him sit out a game unless needed as a PH late.
I guess Mo’s trade return during past deadlines isn’t as poor as it has previously been mentioned. That won’t set well with the “go for it” camp, that expects nothing substantial in return at this deadline for our FA’s to be. Geez, pick a side of the fence.
I don’t believe Gorman is the answer to any of the Cardinals’ questions. It’s time to look in a different direction. I’d be happy to give Saggese a reasonably opportunity to show his stuff.
Being better than Gorman is a low bar. Giving Saggese a few AB’s isn’t going to wreck the reset.
Allowing Gorman and Walker to have runway pretty much constrained Burly to the bench early in the year but Burly forced his way into the lineup with actual production. It is good to see production being rewarded instead of being handed a job due to pedigree or contract.
A fresher look realizes Gorman has overhauled his approach. The plate discipline is there and he’s abandoned grip and rip, overall, not that his power numbers are lagging. Who he is today and going forward looks very promising, when not based on previous outcomes. Take a fresh look and you’ll see no scholarship in play as a bench bat, and, no salary. Who were you speaking of? Lol! Possibly it’s something in the Arizona water that leads to late development above league avg 🤞, but that development theme can at times use blinders too. Fresh look. Speaking of Saggese the deadline acquisition, he is liked very well above, demonstrating the value of trading our future FA’s, if we try to improve the roster this deadline. Who knows!
It’s very simple. If Gorman produces he should play. If he doesn’t he should sit. Same with Walker and everyone else. I’m tired of the “pedigree kids need runway “ crap. I prefer that players earn their PT like Burly.
Yes I think Saggese should get some AB’s. That doesn’t mean I think he is the next Ty Cobb so I wouldn’t hype Mo’s trade return haul yet. Who else in that magnificent haul has done anything yet?
You prospect guys do rankings. Where is Sagesse on your list? For you is his ranking expected, and hoped to be, a substantial help to the roster? Or do you view him as a DFA candidate just clinging on? When you say you expect very little from our FA chips, do you also consider Saggese inconsequential?
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Allowing Gorman and Walker to have runway pretty much constrained Burly to the bench early in the year but Burly forced his way into the lineup with actual production. It is good to see production being rewarded instead of being handed a job due to pedigree or contract.You can add VSII to those two. We need more from the CF position. As soon as we get a solid CF Scott becomes #4 or #5. I don’t see him ever batting over .250 in the bigs. Perhaps the FO already has someone in mind.
You can add VSII to those two. We need more from the CF position. As soon as we get a solid CF Scott becomes #4 or #5. I don’t see him ever batting over .250 in the bigs. Perhaps the FO already has someone in mind.
I don’t think Victor’s leash is nearly so short, nor should it be. His defense is so good that if he even hits at a below average rate, he’s a valuable starter. If he ever gets to average or above, he’s an All Star level guy. Even better if he’s allowed to be more aggressive on the base paths.
We finally have a nice stable of lefty bats. Oli can pencil in 5+ lefties vs rhp’s, and that’s who we win best against, and how. Rather than subtract from our strength now, who is it that is pressing to replace any of Donny, Noot, Burly, Gorman and Scott’s roster spots? Replacement value is real, and should fit in the discussion too, but if the roster can improve, it always should.
Four of those five will have to solve the LHP’er who takes a turn for the Cubbies in tonight’s game. I’m guessing Walker will be situated in RF with Burleson in the DH slot with Gorman sitting to start the game. You never really know what the little genius is going to do, but I’ll be highly surprised if Gorman starts the game at DH.
Once again we still need our righty bats to show up vs the lefty. That’s been hit or miss when Herrera is out. Sagesse should start. They may be going every other day on the catchers, with the heat. That could make it Pozo’s turn. Hampson might get a start but that’s about Victor and where he’s at. If you don’t start Walker vs a lefty… When? Spitballin’!
Denton says that Ollie is now more focused on production than runway. I am glad to hear that.
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“I think we have balanced the whole runway/performance thing well to this point, and all of our guys have had an opportunity,” Marmol said of how he’s mixed and matched lineups to provide extended looks to all players.
“But, at some point, it’s not a 50/50 balance, in my opinion. I think you have to start tilting and leaning toward the guys who are performing and playing — and that’s what the last however many games have been about. You need to reward the guys who are taking steps in the right direction, while also being committed to the work with the guys who aren’t taking those big leaps.
“That hasn’t been the easiest thing to balance, but we’ve done it. Now, I’d like to reward the guys who are doing a good job.”
Thanks GS. Well, he followed the 1st half script, and now the blinders are off. You hit, you play. Earn it boys.
So, Saggese starts and mans up at 2B? Then Donovan’s in the DH slot? Then don’t you have to sit either Burleson or play him at 1B and use Contreras as the DH or sit him.
You/we get to see more of Oli’s lineup choices now, on who can help win. Like the players, he needs to perform too.
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