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Gorman seems to have made great strides, defensively. But he’s, basically, a lefty bat, power potential/high strike outs, Tyler O’Neill. The Cardinals also have an outstanding potential 2B in Donovan. Then, the Cardinals have some appealing, young 2B hitters at Memphis in Prieto, Fermin and Saggese. All three are hitting well at AAA. So what is your plan to navigate this favorable 2B situation? Seems like there might be, at least, some good trade bait here.
bccran, that is definitely a possibility. I was negligent not even mentioning the additional possibility of the 2B Gold Glover, Edman, in the the 2B bonanza the Cardinals have going. Also a consideration in this matter is the possibility of Gorman moving to 1B if Goldscmidt moves on. As you alluded to. “Winn at SS, Edman at 2B and Scott in CF” would make for exceptional defense up the middle.
Until Scott is ready you (eventually) have Edman and Carlson to cover CF.
Donovan can cover 2b if Gorman can’t remember how to hit – once we have an actual major league outfield again.
When the band is back together having guys in the lineup hitting at least .240 top to bottom is going to feel amazing rather than having 4-5 spots under .200 every day.
The Cardinals have a plethora of potential 2Bs. What should they do? This is a pertinent topic for Cardinals baseball discussion.
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Again, how do you see the Cardinals crowded 2B situation playing out in the future?
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I mentioned Gorman, possibly moving to 1B if Goldschmidt moves on. Actually, if Gorman doesn’t cutdown on the strikeouts. He may be moving on.
I see what you did there @shady. Anything is possible, but Gorman has turned into a competent 2nr baseman with a strong throwing arm.
Why would you hide his arm at 1B?
BOCfan, “Why would you hide his arm at 1B?” To open up a spot for Edman, Donovan, Saggese, Fermin or Prieto at 2B.
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Anything possible with this organization these days.
But Gorman has been really good at second and I’m confident he’ll turn it around offensively.
Walker is a strong possibility. Former third baseman should have no problems at first.
Burleson hits for absolutely no power. The days of slap hitters playing first are over.
Something they could do is move Arenado to first. He’d probably win a couple more Gold Gloves there and maybe Saggese or Prieto moves to third? Maybe Donovan?
The chance Goldy will be back for 2025 is fading, so somebody else would be playing 1B. Gorman is a possibility. Given our outfield situation, Edman and Donovan would probably not be turned into a full time second baseman, but as Shady mentions, there are a selection of scrappy UT type guys in Memphis who could play 2B. That doesn’t sound like a compelling move to me, but its possible and low cost. It seems more likely they would use a 1B vacancy as a chance to get both Contreras and Herrera into the everyday lineup. They like Pages, so it would work.
Don’t look now, but Saggese has a .300 BA at Memphis. With some power and SBs. He’s also been getting PT at SS. And both Gorman and Donovan aren’t hitting very well right now. Let’s see how this goes in a month.
Saggese has 68 PAs this year, and a grand total of 131 at AAA.
Once again, professional baseball organizations don’t make decisions based on a handful of games, and they don’t (and can’t) operate as if every day is an open tryout.
RBK, the point is, Saggese seems to be making progress as a 22 year old at AAA. You must have not read the, “Let’s see how this goes in a month” part.
I would think by now we all would have learned that hitting success at Triple A does not always translate to hitting success in The Show.
For example, Burleson looked like a Hall of Famer at Triple A, but he’s a big, stinking turd in The Show.
He looked awful today. The team needs (among things) a professional potent DH.
Maybe that’s Wilson Contreras.
Obviously, the Cardinals have other problems, offensively, other than Burleson. I’ll admit, Burly didn’t look good today. I was disappointed in his ABs.
Oh yay another useless thread about Burleson. I am really rooting for him to be traded this July so we can talk about something else.
gscottar, would you rather discuss what’s happened with Goldschmidt, Gorman, Walker and even Donovan? If so, have at it. Actually, this thread was intended to focus on the 2B situation. Which is even more intriguing now with the way Gorman is performing, offensively. And Donovan hasn’t been that special either, offensively. Keeping in mind, Fermin, Prieto and Saggese are hitting well at AAA.
An alternative idea to creating threads Shady, is use the game threads. Once the game finishes, its the most convenient thread, where many are already there talking shop.
Great place to go wind talking too 🙂
Since we’re “in season”, there’s always yesterday’s thread, until todays game thread starts.
RBK, the point is, Saggese seems to be making progress as a 22 year old at AAA. You must have not read the, “Let’s see how this goes in a month” part.
How do you know it’s “progress,” and not just statistical noise (negative two weeks ago, positive this week) in tiny sample sizes? Just one week ago, he was hitting .212. Based on that alone, surely you must see these sample sizes are virtually meaningless.
So why would a piddling month matter to the analysis? Memphis has 24 games over the next month. If Saggese plays in every one of those games, he will accumulate maybe 100 additional PAs. Do you really believe that will make the difference? Do you really think that should make the difference?
As for comparing AAA and MLB stats, I’m sure you realize the International League tends to be hitter-friendly, and those stats you’re reading don’t translate anywhere near 1:1 to the MLB level. So while you’re unfavorably comparing Donovan’s and Gorman’s stats to Saggese’s AAA stats, perhaps you’ll keep the following context in mind:
Player (AAA stats)
Donovan: .296/.394/.473/.867
Gorman: .274/.324/.508/.832
Saggese: .251/.354/.407/.727
And for just a little extra context:
Burleson: .306/.356/.486/.842You’re basically looking at somewhere between a 100-200 pt OPS falloff between AAA and MLB for many of the Cardinals’ recent promotions who spent meaningful time at Memphis. So why not have a little bit of patience and let Saggese earn his way into the roster discussion with a full year of demonstrated performance at Memphis?
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