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    I have a couple of questions. Perhaps you posters can enlighten me.

    1) Chris Welsh on the Reds broadcast has been saying on bang-bang plays – say a play at 1stbase or a force at 2nd – that it is NOT when the ball hits the glove. He has been saying it’s when the ball enters the area of the glove that counts. Is he correct?

    2) I know that in domed stadiums they have heat and air conditioning. But what about stadiums that just have the retractable roof. Does a retractable roof stadium have heat and air conditioning?

    r/Esteemed Rat

    #232565
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    1. He’s an idiot that can’t read a rule. A catch occurs when a fielder gains secure possession of a ball, and maintains possession until they voluntarily or intentionally release the ball. In other words, possession was defined as having complete control of the ball. None of that in the vicinity crap.

    2. Yes, dome and retractable roof stadiums are climate controlled. Texas’ new ballpark is set at a nice comfortable 75 degrees which has been really nice on those 108 degree days.

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    I was not 100% sure of the answers, but thought the way TC explained them was correct. I thought the ball had to be secured in the glove, not just enter the area as the ball could pop out.

    And second, I assumed rectractable roof stadiums had climate control, but never really thought much about it.

    #232579
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    Whoever said that about the “area of the glove” is a huge BS’er. I hate listening to the home broadcasters on some of our away games. Last night I turned the sound off. Went on about 30 minutes about how great Harper is-blah blah blah!
    Yes they have climate control.

    #232580
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    I have heard it said that at 1B plays, the ball has to hit the glove before the foot hits the bag.

    #232583
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    Bill Clem simplified the entire thing…”It ain’t nothing until I call it.”

    #232586
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    Before replay Bling and even now the first base ump watches the bag for the runners foot and listens for the ball to hit the glove. Anythingelse is BS.

    #232589
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    Chris Welsh is not the only announcer who says the out at 1B is determined by when the ball “enters” or “is in” the glove and not when the ball “hits” the leather or “back of the glove.” This “in the glove” thing is only for interpretations by the replay umps, not by umps on the field. In real time on the field, the umps’ human senses are not precise enough to discern the difference between the two. The difference is discernible on a super slo-mo replay where the video advances at a rate of 1,500 frames per second. The caveat is the ball must then be controlled by the defender for it to be as an out. I guess you could say it’s an out before it’s an out if the player secures the ball, lol.

    There is justification for Welsh and others who say this. It evidently isn’t stated as such in the MLB rulebook, but it was supposedly in some clarification provided by MLB for how the replay umps were to interpret catches by players on force outs.

    All I can tell you is to google John Farrell and replay catches. He was in a dust up over this several years back and it got some attention at that time. Farrell talked about the “guidance” MLB provided on how the replay teams were to interpret when a ball was “caught.” Like it or not (and I think the logic is suspect), it’s easy to find some discussion on the internet about this, so it was “a thing.” On a quick search just now, I can’t find anything where MLB disputed, clarified or changed the guidance that Farrell brought to light.

    Damn, I just took more time to talk about Chris Welsh than I have about the Cards in the last month…..such as this season is.

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    I believe the term Chris Welsh has used is sphere. The ball has to be in the SPHERE of the glove, not hit the back of it.

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    I was at a game in Arizona a few years ago in April where the game time temp was 90 degrees They left the dome open for that game and iirc it went 14-15 innings.

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    Yes retractable roof stadiums do have AC, otherwise it would get toasty for games in Phoenix, Arlington, and Houston.

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    Interesting on that whole “sphere of the glove” business. I guess the angle of the video might be that all a replay observer sees is the ball disappear into the “sphere” of the glove, and if it does that before the runner’s foot hits the bag it is an out.

    But the time difference in that and when the ball hits the back of the glove is almost nil, so I would think for practical purposes the “sphere” and the back of the glove are the same thing.

    And when talking about the ball in the sphere, I assume the ball has to be entirely in the sphere, not just the front edge barely entering the sphere, to be a catch.

    #232746
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    This is precisely why the ump’s call almost always goes against the defensive player if he’s deemed to be wearing an oven mitt…And if it’s one of those oven mitts adorned with the daisy and butterfly pattern, you can forget about the call going his way.

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    You know 1TD if those oven mitts are getting so much TV time on replays they should start renting out advertising space on ’em!

    #232752
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    Vintage Red Schoendienst autograph glove. Red wouldn’t have gotten much help on the instant replay “sphere” interpretation, LOL.

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    Yeah, those mitts should always be displayed alongside the fielder’s throwing hand simply because almost every play involved both hands to secure the baseball and complete the play for an out.

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