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Matthew Liberatore has been recalled, which was necessary after last night. Suarez has been optioned. My bet is we won’t see him in a Cards uniform again, but one never knows what pitchers we will have come next Tuesday at 5 pm central!
Good.Now put him in the rotation and go with it.Give him a real shot at establishing himself.Taking his lumps now might help by being a learning experience for next season.
Agree with BW52 – put Libby in the rotation for the remainder of the season and see how he does. If he gets shelled a few times, work on adjustments. But don’t take him out of the rotation – give him time to work through things and figure out what works.
We are basically playing exhibition games at this point, so make the best of it and see what you might have for 2024.
Oh, and none of this 1 or 2 inning relief stints nonsense, Ollie!!
Hey BicycleMike, so we don’t hijack Gags thread here, how about venturing on over to one of our game threads and filling us in on your baseball memorabilia convention that you are presently attending in Chicago. Oh and as far as Libby goes, definitely slot him in the rotation for the remainder of the season to see if there’s even a glimmer of hope for him pitching effectively at this level. Thus far he’s been a major disappointment, but he certainly wouldn’t be the first pitcher to start off slow and then everything comes to together for them. Right now he has as much value to this club as Motter….not good.
Liberatore should definitely be in the rotation the rest of the season. Quit jerking him back and forth to Memphis or back and forth from the rotation to the pen. Just let him start. We have nothing to lose.
Depending on the trade returns I could see the rotation the final two months being Mikolas, Waino, Matz, Libby, and Hudson.
Depending on the trade returns I could see the rotation the final two months being Mikolas, Waino, Matz, Libby, and Hudson.
I would love to see that, too. A complete meltdown is what it will take to convince people that these guys are lost causes. Matz, Liby, Hudson. I don’t think we should assume Waino’s health/performance will hold up until the end of the season.
I hate to say it but Wainwright is finished. He hasn’t had one dominating game this year….. all mediocre and poor results (GSs). If his initials weren’t AW and a long-time Cardinal favorite looking to reach 300 wins he would have been gone long ago…. or maybe in the pen. IMO he can’t be relied on to do much on the mound anymore. Age caught up with him this season.
It’s hard to watch but with this season being toast it’s ok for him to try for two more wins.
If the Cards still had a prayer at making the post-season – no – but they don’t so may as well keep running him out there…..
Agreed here with ZTR. Waino getting to, or past, 200 is maybe the one thing other than trying to figure out what next year will be like that will keep me watching down the stretch. And on top of that, I’m not at all sure that the Cards have five better starters just now, and that’s before the likely trades of Monty and Flaherty.
This reminds me a bit of Gibby’s last year. 3-10 and a 5.04 ERA, up from 2.77 two seasons before. The end came of the career came fast.
I’d forgotten the end of Forsch’s career. 3.73 ERA at age 38 with the Cards, then traded to Houston with his ERA at 6.51 the rest of that year, 5.32 the next.
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I’m not at all sure that the Cards have five better starters just now, and that’s before the likely trades of Monty and Flaherty.
If there aren’t five guys with better upside in the organization by Tuesday, the Cardinals blew this trade deadline.
This reminds me a bit of Gibby’s last year. 3-10 and a 5.04 ERA, up from 2.77 two seasons before. The end came of the career came fast.
Yes, and for the record, Gibson was so embarrassed and frustrated over his decline that he quit before the 1975 season was over. One difference is that he had already accomplished all of his individual goals. He was also realistic, while Wainwright is always optimistic that he is just one mechanical tweak away…
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Not sure I agree re your judgment about Tuesday. If they trade Flaherty and Monty, my guess is that they get two rotation arms to replace them so no net change. And I’d be fine with that, TBH. Then the question is if Waino is better than Hudson and Liberatore, who seem next in line. If it’s the Waino of his last outing, and if Bob Reed’s diagnosis of Liberatore’s MPH decline are on target, I think I would go with Waino. Probably with Hudson piggybacking for the last four innings of Waino starts.
Gibson started 14 games his last year, with another 8 outings from the pen, 109 innings total. Waino has only 12 appearances, all starts, and 56.2 innings, so he’s not kept at it as long as Gibby did, at least in terms of how much they’ve pitched. We’ll see where Waino is after another couple.
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