2021 Cardinals MLB Game 77 thread – Saturday, June 26 vs. Pirates

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  • #164618
    Brian Walton
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    1:15 p.m.
    RHP Adam Wainwright (5-5, 3.74) vs. RHP JT Brubaker (4-6, 3.77)
    BSM // KMOX // WIJR
    Also BSSW+ in Oklahoma and Arkansas and BSSO in TN, KY and MS

    #164824
    blingboy
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    It would be worthwhile to try moving Nooty up in the lineup. Not that he’s the Babe, but he has shown a propensity to be in the middle of whatever offense we get going. Certainly don’t keep him bating behind never adequately prepped Edman right now.

    #164825
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    Milwaukee won yesterday in the home re-opener at Miller Park. Sorry I referred to it as County Stadium yesterday. 5-4 in 11 innings over Colorado.

    The Cubs lost at Dodger Stadium. It was 2-2 heading to the last of the 8th and Pollock and Muncy hit two run homers in the last of the 8th for Los Angeles. 6-2 Dodgers the final.

    We better get our act together – and fast. If we dont we will be double-digits behind before you know it.

    Din-din today will be my first attempt at making a chopped sirloin, hamburger steak, whatever you call it. Some mashed potatoes/gravy, a bowl of homemade ice cream, and a glass of water. Then me and Whitey Herdog will be on the couch for first pitch at 2:15 our time. Along with a cigar or two.

    r/Esteemed Rat

    #164827
    gscottar
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    Gant is out of the rotation. Hopefully CMart is next.

    #164828
    gscottar
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    #164830
    blingboy
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    1. Dylan Carlson (S) CF
    2. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
    3. Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
    4. Tyler O’Neill (R) LF
    5. Yadier Molina (R) C
    6. Tommy Edman (S) 2B
    7. Lars Nootbaar (L) RF
    8. Paul DeJong (R) SS
    9. Adam Wainwright (R) P

    Shows what I know. Lets leave 12 stranded again. Hopefully Tommy got properly prepped by that darned staff.

    #164831
    bicyclemike
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    Not sure there are any answers right now. The club looks to be victimized by bigger picture things, most notably a recent plague of poor talent evaluation that sent what was a successful upper farm system to other organizations. Somehow they did not think the success of the late teens Memphis teams was talent generated. I think they looked at Stubby getting a lot from what he had as the driver of that success.

    Which leads me to speculate that if we are in the doldrums at the All-Star break, perhaps Stubby will be given the reigns to the big league club and Shildt will be moved into a “special consultant” role or something like that.

    It would be a tough one to take for Shildt, as he has a pitching staff decimated by injuries, most of the veterans are playing below expectations, and as mentioned, guys who could be brought in see what they could do are mostly with other organizations.

    The lineup change is far too watered down. First, DeJong should not be in there at all right now. You need to give Sosa the shortstop job for the next month or more and see what he can do. At least he gets a hit now and then. Second, be bold – re-arrange the order in a big way. Again, here is my setup with what we have:

    Nootbaar
    Sosa
    Arenado
    O’Neill
    Carlson
    Goldschmidt
    Molina
    Edman

    If facing a lefty I go this way:

    Sosa
    Carlson
    Arenado
    O’Neill
    Goldschmidt
    Molina
    Nootbaar
    Edman

    Once Tommy starts to get on base again, he will move up to one or two.

    #164833
    blingboy
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    I would hold off putting Nooty at the top of the order until he gets unpacked. If he continues to get on base slide him in under Carlson and shift everyone down. If Sosa or Edman hit move one up to break up the string of righties.

    Dylan Carlson (S) CF
    Tyler O’Neill (R) LF
    Nolan Arenado (R) 3B
    Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
    Lars Nootbaar (L) RF
    Yadier Molina (R) C
    Sosa (R) SS
    Tommy Edman (S) 2B

    #164834
    blingboy
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    The idea is get the guys who are doing something clumped together and up where they get as many PAs as possible.

    #164835
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    Did anybody notice last night that when Arenado hit the homerun and returned to the dugout who was acting like a complete goofball idiot again? And for the 10,000th time? Yep, none other than Carlos Martinez. With his pitiful performance this year I dont think I would be acting stupid and goofy.

    He needs to go. And he needs to take all of his stupid antics with him.

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    #164836
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    Rat, yeah, nobody who is stinking it up should be yucking it up. But the tell is that there is no effective clubhouse leadership to give him talking to.

    #164837
    blingboy
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    Not sure who hablas besides Yadi, but he is his catcher and should be the man, with two or three other vets standing behind him. That’s not how it works now I guess.

    #164838
    mudville
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    BikeMike – When you bring up the idea of ‘poor talent evaluation’ are you simply dismissing the possibility that some of the players that we let go of, and then became budding superstars for other teams, may be taking PEDS (i.e. steroids)? There was a comment made by a reporter in The Athletic recently that said nobody watches players ‘pee in a cup’ when being tested for PED’s thereby questioning the whole process of testing for steroids, and thereby questioning the claim that MLB is steroids free. When you say ‘poor talent evaluation’, you are essentially saying that the Cardinals’ talent evaluators are incompetent, and they might not be.

    #164839
    blingboy
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    Well anyway, first pitch in 20 minutes. We already cured another bottom feeder so lets avoid getting swept again.

    #164842
    bicyclemike
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    Mudville, I have no idea whether or not guys are still using steroids. If the guys we sent away are juicing and the guys we kept are not, then that would obviously factor in to the assessment of our talent evaluators.

    Back in the day the ‘roid guys were easy to pick out, as they looked different than they used to. If some of those guys, most notably Patrick Wisdom who has been on a power surge, looked like Lars Nootbaar when coming through the system and look like Tyler O’Neill today, then ‘roid use would certainly be called into question.

    #164843
    blingboy
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    I figure its like with the pitching goop. If guys can get away with having an unfair advantage some of them will. Everybody else, and the organizations, will look the other way.

    I see Edman already stranded a guy at third. Where’s Albert, off with his head.

    #164845
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    There was a comment made by a reporter in The Athletic recently that said nobody watches players ‘pee in a cup’ when being tested for PED’s thereby questioning the whole process of testing for steroids, and thereby questioning the claim that MLB is steroids free.

    Nobody watches you pee in a cup when you get drug tested for a job, either. They wait right outside the bathroom.

    #164846
    kscardfan
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    Wow. Is all I can do to hit one .470. Goldy!!!

    #164847
    blingboy
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    Hooray for the good guys. Pitching came through. Edman 0fer again. Where’s Albert that rascal.

    We are turning into the kings of the solo home run.

    #164848
    gscottar
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    #164852
    jj-cf-stl
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    “The Stopper” ends another losing streak. Thanks Adam.

    #164853
    1964cards
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    Good to see the team get a win today. Hoping they can get another tomorrow and take the series!

    #164864
    mudville
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    Luke Voit and Adolis Garcia have put up some gaudy numbers
    since leaving the Cardinals organization, also. Are the Cardinals’ talent evaluators to blame?

    Peeing in a cup at work for us is much different than an athlete peeing in a cup when there’s megamillions at stake.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/05/how-to-beat-a-drug-test/303901/

    #164876
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    Still 7 out. Can this team rip off a winning streak?

    If they could win 9 of 10 that might cut the deficit to 3-4 games. Back to ‘arms length’.

    #164878
    blingboy
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    If they could win 9 of 10 that might cut the deficit to 3-4 games. Back to ‘arms length’.

    I doubt the 1927 Yankees lineup could score enough runs to win 9 of 10 with our staff. Nor could the 1998 Braves staff win 9 of 10 with our lineup.

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