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Kind of odd but not a super high risk I guess. Worst case, he’s a utility guy in a few years but he’s been pretty steady in the minors and should have a shot to be a solid starter.
The front office has made at least two “make good” deals to give guys better situations in just the last couple years (thinking of moving Marco Gonzales and of course Piscotty, Leake would probably count too). Yet people are still seriously claiming that they’re out to sabotage Kelly’s career??
Give me a break. Yadi will very likely miss time at points in each of the next two years. Kelly will get his time in and be gaining service time, becoming a free agent at a pretty decent age.
Throwing him away for peanuts right now and then having to run a black hole out there at catcher when Yadi misses a month this July would be terribly short sighted.
Brianpnoonan…at what point does it become practical to give out any free agent contract? Is it simply short term deals or situations where you can sign a megastar?
Of course, any team would love to have a farm system churning out average to above average players with an occasional star, but for those that don’t, filling in holes with the slightly above average free agent types seems to be the best way to remain competitive.
Brianpnoonan…for clarity’s sake, are you saying a guy like Trout is worth $100 million plus a year if a guy like Fowler is worth $16 million a year…or are you saying Trout is really worth $100+M and Fowler is worth more like a rookie contract?
I guess what I’m saying is, does your system advocate greater overall payroll to accommodate these megastars’ value or are you proposing that value as a proportion of the current pie should be divided in a very different way than it currently is?
I had read on VEB once that Poncedeleon had all star reliever potential if he came up and focused on throwing his cutter for the most part. I don’t know if that still holds true and he’s an unknown given that injury but maybe they’ll slide him to a bullpen spot for the future.
Hosmer is at 3.5, -0.1 and 4.1 fWAR the last three years.
Moustakas is at 3.7, 0.7, 2.2.
Mediocrity is within the range of outcomes, but not the most likely. Seems like Hosmer is approximately Carpenter and Moustakas is similar to Gyorko. Either would be an upgrade but would it be worth the money? Such is the question.
In hindsight, how much better would it have been to overwhelm a guy like Kenley Jansen (who was my personal favorite free agent in 2016) than have to pay for a Greg Holland this year? 5/90 may have pulled him away from the Dodgers.
I’d rather take a chance on one of the AA/AAA arms than spend huge money on a 32 year old closer.
While I don’t think there is such a thing as too much depth, I like this trade. Any one of Bader, Garcia, O’Neill, maybe even Mercado or Arozarena should be able to approximate Grichuk’s value. Picking up a good bullpen piece and potentially a future ‘pen guy is a good value.
Agree on also wishing they had done more, but sometimes your hands really are tied. If Toronto didn’t want to trade Donaldson or Baltimore didn’t want to trade Machado, there isn’t much to fault them for. I’m sure if we offered Reyes, Flaherty, Kelly and Hudson they’d cave but that would be irresponsible.
Maybe we will see it, and maybe not but I would expect more money will be spent soon. Personally I’m not expecting to compete with the Cubs straight up but if the Cubs underperform a bit and the Cards overperform, I would expect the F.O. to make some moves to expedite the division contention process.
Good points, mudville. The market for trades has just not gone the Cards’ way and the free agent class was always going to be iffy. People like appearances though and it looks better to go with the “proven” talent than what you have on hand, sometimes.
Fwiw, Helsley looks a lot like Rosenthal coming through the system in 2012 to me.
While I don’t think Gregerson is going to be stellar as a closer and wouldn’t have minded seeing Reed at his $$ playing in St Louis… I would be interested in seeing Helsley and Hicks fast tracked into the Mlb bullpen. Fernandez strikes me as another lively arm that might not be needed as a starter in the next two years who could dominate in short outings.
To tag along with the point made by Rats above…by July, having Reyes ready to move from the bullpen to the rotation for the stretch run could be huge, a la the boost we got from him in 2016. By then we will know for sure how things are looking with the bottom three in the rotation to determine whether to add a starter.
Bottom line…I wouldn’t go after Arrieta unless he came very cheap. He’s been trending the wrong way for some time.
That’s a massive amount of value for a one year player. The trade market seems totally out of whack lately.
Just…no. Neither is an upgrade over what is currently on the roster. Unless they come cheap, I see no reason to waste the money.
Sign me up for sending them both. I like Kelly but he’s blocked by Yadi and Knizer is coming on strong. Sure, it’s only one year of Machado but it would set the tone for a heck of a year, for sure.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Kelly go in an Archer deal. If they could do it without giving up Reyes, that would be quite the rotation for the next 4 years.
This. Alcantara could turn into an ace, Sierra could be Kevin Kiermaier lite and Gallen could be a mid rotation starter while Ozuna looks no better than Piscotty would have, which could make this trade look silly. Or we could have just gotten a middle of the order bat and solid defender for a reliever, back end starter and reserve OF.
Good move for Piscotty to be closer to his family. Still haven’t seen the return but this one goes beyond the field, IMO.
I liked watching Mags, but realistically he was a speed guy whose peak was probably an average hitter with little power and good defense. Alcantara is potentially good, but we don’t lack power arms in the system.
Ozuna is a clear upgrade over Piscotty from last year. The question is…is 2017 what we can expect the next two years?
I’m also curious what the OF rotation will look like. One of Piscotty and Grichuk seems likely to go, if not both…and there’s still Bader to look at. Hopefully Pham looks closer to his 2017 self than before and the Of should be pretty good.
Piscotty and Flaherty would be palatable to me…but adding Hudson or Alcantara would be a big overpay.
Agreed, Brian. Yelich would probably require a huge haul to get, given their real lack of need to trade him.
With the number of OF in our system, I would probably prefer the shorter term solution. I like Yelich but I suspect Ozuna might burn brighter over a two year span and cost less in prospect capital as well.
Would like to see a Colome pickup but Longoria? No thanks. I’ll take Jedd Gyorko over him, and especially for the $$.
Never heard of the guy but it seems like a low floor, low ceiling signing. Can’t complain much. Hopefully another example of the Cards scouting paying off, in the long run.