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Afraid that Ponce is one that we could lose in the Rule 5
Can’t believe that it has been 4 days since a Stanton post
And to you Brian and all good Cardinal fans.
Thanks for finding that Derek.
Interesting list. I’m glad to see Adolis Garcia get some recognition. He has the best arm I have seen in the system in years, hits the ball hard and has the speed to beat out the soft grounders when he doesn’t hit it hard. Like all young power hitters he has to continue to improve his plate discipline but he has the tools to rise fast. Hopefully he won’t go in a trade.Thought he was low on Hudson and Gallen, maybe a little high on Sosa but maybe not with the success he is having in the Arizona Fall League.
As is always the case the future depends on how well the players make adjustments. I think most have major league potential but the guys who do the best job of adjusting will get there, those who don’t are probably looking at a cup of coffee at best.
Ever wonder how we do in our rankings compared to Baseball America?
I did a study of all of the top 30 rankings of The Cardinal Nation vs Baseball America from 2007-2017
Using WAR of the ranked players as included in baseball reference the results are as followsTotal WAR of ranked players 2007-2017 is TCN 591.5 and BA 586.4
#1 ranked players TCN 88.2 and BA 86.2
1-5 ranked players TCN 283.6 BA 277.6
6-10 TCN 111.3 BA 89.7
11-20 TCN 156.4 BA 161.7
21-30 TCN 40.2 BA 57.4Baseball America finished ahead 3 of the 4 earliest years and then TCN had the best WAR 4 years in a row. Tied in 15 and 16 and BA ahead 5-2.6 in 2017
Year by year for those interested
2007 TCN 63.6 BA 75.0
2008 TCN 78.5 BA 65.5
2009 TCN 84.7 BA 95.6
2010 TCN 71.1 BA 76.3
2011 TCN 70.1 BA 66.5
2012 TCN 66.3 BA 62.3
2013 TCN 73.5 BA 61.8
2014 TCN 44.4 BA 41.5
2015 TCN 26.6 BA 26.6
2016 TCN 10.1 BA 10.1
2017 TCN 2.6 BA 5.0I think his emergence gives us more flexibility with Kelly who could go high in a trade.
He was coming along pretty strong at Peoria at the end of the season in 2016. hope he returns. I seem to recall people being excited about him in the GCL where he was reported to hit around or at triple digits.
November 12, 2017 at 12:45 pm in reply to: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors – 2017-2018 #37667I think we are the victim of Diazitis and want to hang Diaz meltdown on DeJong. Come on, the guy hit 38 home runs in 2017 counting the 13 he hit in the minors. Diaz got totally out of sync and hardly had his feet on the ground when he swung the bat in 2017. Don’t know what happened because at the end of 2016 he was having good at bats and hitting the ball hard even though he began to lunge at the outside pitches. I would love for Diaz to return to form because I like the way the ball comes off his bat.
DeJong on the other hand hung in at the #3 spot and continued to improve his plate discipline and is light years from where he was at Springfield in the first half of 2016.
If we get a shortstop or third baseman I would be happy with Gyorko at second. Wong is flashier and has a little more range but Gyorko has ok range and makes all the routine plays that Wong often blows. Gyorko is like Peralta as far as steadiness but has more range.
This a window of opportunity for Giersch to make a huge difference in this team. He has the prospects, possibly the best any other suitor has to offer and the payroll room. We may have to give up either Martinez or Reyes but the Marlins would probably settle for Weaver who would give them longer control than on Martinez. We have a wide choice of outfielders to replace Stanton.
I believe that Stanton could be convinced to play in St. Louis. A baseball star in St. Louis is comparable to a rock star anywhere else.
I think the Marlins would require Devers or Benintendi from the Red Sox and I doubt the Red Sox would go there.
Molina has definitely lost something in his ability to block pitches in the dirt. Just doesn’t get in front of them the way he used to do. However, the big intangible is his plus value in making the pitchers more effective. Reyes was a very different pitcher with Molina catching him vs the guys in Memphis.
If Molina doesn’t make the hall it will be a travesty, his defense, his handling of pitchers, his clutch hitting. That is going to be very hard to replace.
If we get Stanton then Piscotty probably should go but we will be selling low on him. I believe that he is considerably better than in 2017. We could probably sell high on Grichuk because like all of us many will be intrigued with his tremendous power potential. He could well be one of those guys who suddenly blossom in his late 20’s by figuring out that it is very hard to hit offspeed pitches in the dirt.
I have been pretty skeptical of the possibility of getting Stanton but very few if any have the depth of talented outfield and pitching prospects that we have. This is Mo’s best shot at making an impact with the prospect surplus. It is more about prospects than money. I would much rather have Stanton than Martinez. I am always skeptical of late bloomers.
And yes O’Neill is definitely a right handed hitter. I probably saw 70% of the games he played for Memphis and he never batted from the left side.
Anthony Shew and Ronnie Williams may be there.
I think Ortega will have one of the catcher’s spots.
Walsh a bullpen possibility along with Latcham and maybe Tilley
Zgardowski may be gone from the organization along with Bautista who has had poor progress.
Pinder should be there and I think Plummer will repeat.
I believe that Mendoza will get to Palm Beach. He closed fast at Peoria.
Machado could maka a Carlson like step up but more likely State College or Johnson City.
Should not count out Ynfante. I think he would go before Benson.
Would not be suprised to see Fiedler convert to the mound but probably at a lower level.Of course a lot depends on the makeup of the teams at the higher levels.
the Cardinals usually challenge their best prospects so Seijas a real possibility.
Suprise won today behind a 3-3 game for Knizer with a double. Hicks two shutout innings. Mercado 0-5 ouch.
Glad we don’t have to play in that stadium every year any more.
Jones was sort of under the radar. He made a unexpected number of quality starts. Don’t remember the exact number but I think 13-15 range.
No way is Wacha non-tendered. Grichuk also. Could get something for both with trades.
66 Cedeno
67 Summerville
68 Nielson
69 Yieson Medina
70 BillingsI suspect that the reason Bosio was let go was to hire Hickey. Had he not been available the Cubs would likely have stuck with Bosio.
Obviously the trick is to know if you have a Bagwell, Smoltz, et.al. as well as who do we have that other teams value more than we do. Jockkety had a knack for that. A lot of the minor leaguers he gave up for the likes of Woody Williams didn’t get more than a cup of coffee in the majors. About the only exception was Jack Wilson for Jason Christianson.
There were a lot of questions during the season as to who would be buyers and sellers as the trade deadline approached. Detroit and the White Sox were obvious and just as obvious we decided to be neither buyers or sellers in spite of having a good number of outfielding and pitching prospects although we did pick up Nicacio for a 20th range prospect after the deadline.
Meanwhile most of the other post season contenders picked up key players mostly for minor league talent. Dodgers (Darvish, Watson), Yankees (Frazier, Gray, Robertson, Kahnle) DBacks (Martinez) Nationals (Kintzler, Madson, Kendrick, Doolittle), Astros (Liriano, Verlander), Rockies (Lucroy), Red Sox (Eduardo Nunez) Brewers (Swarzak) Cubs (Quintana, Avila, Justin Wilson) Indians (Joe Smith). Also the Rays, Royals and Angles were active trying for the final AL wild card spot.
I was not excited by the Leake and Cecil deals but not against them. I didn’t want Fowler because I didn’t think he was good enough defensively.
If I look at our situation I see too many corner outfielders and infielders with none a real impact bat with Pham being the closest. Also a loaded minor league system and too many “prospects” fading and we get next to nothing for them when we get rid of them. The O’Neill for Marco deal an exception. San Diego seems so hot for our prospects, maybe we should trade a few of them for players we want.
I am generally opposed to trading young prospects for older players. That is how you lose guys like Bagwell, Rizzo, and Smoltz. But the results are that we got next to nothing for the players we acquired from the outside in 2017. I don’t think we have given up a lot over Mo’s tenure but if I have a criticism of Mo it that maybe he has been a bit conservative rather than go after guys like Verlander who played a big role in the Astros winning the AL championship. And I think he has had some bad luck.
Like many others I am waiting to see if anything changes under Giersh.
61. Santos
62. Castano
63. Leandro Castillo
64. Nielson
65. BillingsI think Flores has a more important job.
This is scary. They may get a good manager.
56 Shane Billings – Has not shown power but speedy center fielder who hits well.
57 Derian Gonzalez – Will probably be the most underrated player in this process
58 Ramon Santos – Dominant in starts during August. 2 earned runs in last 6 starts.
59 Trey Nielson – Strong AAA performance. Health a question
60 Andrew Morales – Solid performance in relief. Should get betterBack in. Sorry I had a lot going and got behind with the 5 at once thing. Like the 5 at once.
51. Derian Gonzalez
52. Anthony Shew
53. Julio Rodriguez
54. Stefan Trosclair
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