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  • in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145776
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    My only comment on Bader in the top 100 at MLB.com. He was not in the top 100 before the 2016 or 2017 season and he was not in the top 100 after the 2016 or 2017 season. This is the list compiled by Jonathan Mayo and tracked by Baseball Reference. I can’t speak to whether or not he was on the list at any other point of either season. Baseball Reference shows Bader on zero prospects lists that they track during his minor league career. Therefore, I have to conclude that he was around the end of any top 100 list that he may have made.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145658
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    It can be a friendly interchange. Just present ALL the facts and leave attacks on players due to personal dislike out of it. Keep an open mind. I don’t like Fowler as a player but I have defended him on this site several times.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145654
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    You use every negative tidbit you can about players like Bader that you don’t like and bring him up in multiple threads. Then you choose to use a selected sample that makes a player you like look good and say to basically ignore a sample that doesn’t paint a good light on him because he had a rough start. And you wonder why posters have confronted you? If you were consistent in looking at players you like and dislike for their pluses and negatives, it might be different.

    Did you happen to notice that DeJong’s offensive stats over the last 3 years are about equal to Bader’s? Also, Bader was the #1 rated CF by Fangraphs in 2019….by a large margin. He had a poor year this year and was still 8th.

    You like DeJong and dislike Bader. I get it. Just don’t expect me to ignore you when you continue to slam Bader and try to paint others that you do like in a better light. I will give you facts to back up my claims as I have always done.

    BTW, DeJong was 9th in SS in 2020.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145647
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    So we can just ignore whatever we don’t like when making an argument?

    I wouldn’t use July 2019 when trying to determine how good Bader can be. It was a rough month. After all, he’s 10 months younger than DeJong so he’s just getting ready to come into his prime years. He’s not quite there, yet.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145635
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    Bccran, I have been searching all over the Fangraphs site and can find nothing that says DeJong is the #1 ranked SS.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145625
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    bc, can you post a link to where you found the SS comparison? I am looking for it but can’t seem to find anything like that in fangraphs.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145624
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    If I cared about the other forums, I would be posting on there instead of here. I post here because the vast majority of the fans here care about learning about the players and the game on more than superficial level. They are willing to consider other ways of looking at whether a player is excellent, good, average or below average.

    BTW, I like Bader but he is replaceable. What you won’t find me doing is knocking him because of what ritual he goes through when he’s batting or whether his hat flies off his head. I am also not going to overlook just how valuable he is on defense. He is 4th or 5th on my list of who to replace. In order: LF, 3B, RF, CF/SS.

    You knock Bader because of his offense (which was above average for a CFer) yet you support a SS who, statistically, performed below average with his bat when looking at OPS+. HMMM

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    Blockbuster of the day: Jack Flaherty for Fernando Tatis, Jr. Who says no first? Would you do it?

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145613
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    Just to save you the time, bc

    Player A – Paul DeJong
    Player B – Harrison Bader

    2020 OPS by SS in ML – .748
    2020 OPS by CF in ML – .734

    That’s why some posters are defending Bader. It’s also why I would strongly consider signing a free agent SS who is elite. DeJong is a good player and can play several positions. He could “hold the fort” at 3B or SS but he profiles best at 2B by his offense.

    If the Cardinals could trade DeJong for Kirilloff, straight up, after 2021, I would do it. Then the Cardinals could go after one of the elite shortstops.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145611
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    When the Cards are weak at 3B and in the outfield, seems like DeJong should be a core player over some unknown from the outside. Don’t we have one of the best SS-2B tandems in the NL?

    This is why I don’t understand some of your stances on players.

    Here is a comparison of 2 players over the past 3 years. Both are good defenders at key defensive positions:

    Player A – .238/.317/.428/.744 in 319 games with a 24% K Rate. Above average defense.
    Player B – .234/.326/.401/.727 in 316 games with a 29% K Rate. Elite defense.

    Which player do you want starting on your team?

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    Without knowing how the negotiations went down, we can’t say that the Rays tipped their hand about how much they wanted Arozarena. I would imagine that trade negotiations are a little like playing poker, you don’t want to reveal too much emotion so that you maximize your gain.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145600
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    Maybe until Gorman is ready. He could also play 2B or be a trade chip, if necessary.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145596
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    Realistically, the Cardinals could reform their team in the next 2 off-seasons. This off-season has a few free agent OFers who could really help the team. Next off-season, their are quite a few shortstops who will be free agents: Story, Lindor, Seagar, and Baez.

    If the Cardinals are shrewd and willing to raise payroll for 1 year, they could pick up an OFer this year in free agency. Pick up a SS next year in free agency. AND, make a trade for a top 50 rated prospect OFer sometime in that period of time. I think that puts us back to the MV3 days off being a constant World Series threat.

    in reply to: Former Cardinals in the News #145507
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    As a matter of fact, bc, you said on the later thread that you would probably have made the trade if the Rays had insisted on Arozarena. It’s hard to say you were opposed if you would have made the trade. You further stated “I hated to lose Arozarena but I think it was an overall decent trade.” I understand you have “buyers remorse” after the fact.

    Posters for the trade: LACardFan, GameCard, Mrperkins, forsch31, CariocaCardinal, Bw52, bicyclemike, gscottar, Beopig, mudville, jj-cf-stl, Oquendo11

    Posters who never said whether they did or did not like the trade but commented: CFICT, BlackHillsCard, stlcard25, 1964cards, 1982 willie, PugsleyAddams, Ratsbuddy, 14NyquisT, Euro Dandy

    Posters who indicated they were not in favor of the deal: Minuteman3

    in reply to: Former Cardinals in the News #145497
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    Just check out the threads about the trade. There was the one when the trade was made and another one reviewing the trade a few months later. I see very few that didn’t like the trade. I was one who commented that if it was the Cardinals choice on which OFer, I was disappointed. In that same post, I also commented that I thought the trade was a good one. There are others who made similar comments but almost no one said they disliked the trade on this site.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145380
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    That is about what I was looking at when I suggested trading for Kirilloff. I am a little confused about that list, though. Tucker and Verdugo played 2020 in the majors so they don’t really fit. However, that list is what I was hoping the Cardinals would target. The ones that are more contact oriented would be the top of my list. I am tired of strikeouts.

    in reply to: Our Younger OFers #145374
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    Yes. Here is the top seven from best to worst:

    Fowler
    Ravelo
    Bader
    Edman
    O’Neill
    Carlson
    Thomas

    in reply to: Our Younger OFers #145361
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    Bc, you have many times stated that the most recent year’s info is the MOST relevant. Bader outperformed EVERY OFer on the Cardinals, according to the stats. Do you believe the stats are made up?

    As far as where he hits in the order, I would bat him at the end of the lineup, also. He should be getting on base ahead of the big bats.

    in reply to: Our Younger OFers #145309
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    Bader’s okay if you have bats in the rest of the lineup. If you’re below where you want to be offensively at 3B and in left and right field, you don’t have the luxury of having HB in CF.

    Since this is a more appropriate thread to discuss your comment in the Awards thread, I will make my reply here.

    What OF on the Cardinals team outperformed Bader in 2020? Here is every player who might have played OF in 2020 with more than 25 PAs:

    O’Neill – 68 OPS+ 70 wRC+
    Bader – 111 OPS+ 113 wRC+
    Fowler – 92 OPS+ 95 wRC+
    Edman – 87 OPS+ 90 wRC+
    Carlson – 66 OPS+ 65 wRC+
    Ravelo – 45 OPS+ 44 wRC+
    Thomas – 22 OPS+ 25 wRC+

    That is 2 quick, all-encompassing measures that aggregate all the areas of offense. Yes, 2 of them had a higher BA but Bader had the highest OBP. He isn’t looked at as a big bat so just getting on base is important.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145307
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    gscott, that is not too bad of an idea. He should do about as good as Pederson.

    Pluses:
    1) He is affordable at $7.5 million for 2 years.
    2) He hits RH pitching very well.
    3) He hits for a higher average than Pederson.

    My concerns:
    1) He plays in a stadium that favors hitters and he has over .100 point difference in OPS between home and on the road.
    2) He has already turned 33 years old. Is he starting a decline phase? If so, how quick?
    3) He is not a real good defender.

    EDIT: I guess I should look at all the threads before making some comments. He won the Gold Glove last year but shows a negative dWAR on Baseball Reference for 5 of his 7 years. Maybe he is and maybe he isn’t a good defender. (Shrugs Shoulders)

    in reply to: Former Cardinals in the News #145198
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    Well, that would fit within the ALMOST no one. Obviously, some were not OK with it. A VAST majority (on this site) were OK with it.

    in reply to: Our Younger OFers #145181
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    bccran, using my statement about the trade clearly points out that I would only be disappointed if the CARDINALS chose to send Arozarena rather than O’Neill. I believe I also have a statement that says I was still OK with the deal. There seems to be a lot of information that shows the Rays WANTED Arozarena. At this point, everything else is just noise. If we could go back and redo the deal, I would guess that there would be no deal without Arozarena and we still would have had a logjam of OFs. I doubt Arozarena alone would have made enough difference for the Cardinals this year.

    BTW, you cited 3 posters who clearly ranked Arozarena higher than O’Neill. 2 posters only showed dislike for O’Neill. 2 posters clearly ranked O’Neill higher than Arozarena. 1 poster ranked Thomas higher than Arozarena.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145111
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    Bccran, if you want to talk about drafting, bring it up in a drafting thread. This is about getting ready for 2021.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145089
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    bccran, if they did draft more OFs in the first 5 rounds, maybe there would have been more Plummer’s and Denton’s and no Carlson’s. Consider that.

    in reply to: Cardinals’ Off-season Needs #145075
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    That 2015 draft was the only one with Chris Correa in charge. He wiffed on Plummer and Denton but did draft Woodford, Bader, Hicks, DeJong and Helsley.

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