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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    As Miller noted in response to a question mentioned above, the dispute between players and owners about how to calculate vesting options for next season is still open as far as he knows. And given Miller’s role on the union’s executive council, if there was a resolution, he would surely know about it.

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    AvatarCariocaCardinal
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    Seems like Miller has a conflict of interests!

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Well, it is no more a conflict than if any owner had been asked. In his defense, Miller did not share any details about his personal thoughts on the matter. He simply answered a question on the status of the dispute, more as a union rep. But had he had shared his own position, I would have had no problem with it.

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    Good stuff on the reports from the players and Shildt. Good to see that the vets are taking responsibility for the team in the short stretch.

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    Miller’s conflict is that he is supposed to be negotiating on the behalf of all players but he has a strong personal interest in the outcome.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Miller is playing baseball. He isn’t personally negotiating anything. That isn’t how it works. Further, Miller is hardly the only MLB player with vesting in his contract. The union represents all of them. Anyway, how is he any different from Bill DeWitt owning a team who has to pay player options, if he was asked a question about the negotiations? It is the other side of the same mirror. I don’t get this supposed conflict of interest at all.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Monday’s workout has been delayed from morning until sometime this afternoon for an as yet to be announced reason. As noted in the COVID thread, some teams are experiencing delays in getting test results back from MLB’s lab.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Cardinals have officially moved today’s workout to early evening.

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    Yes, BDW may have conflicts of interest as well.

    #132350
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Mo says players and staff were not comfortable practicing today without Friday’s test results. There has been “frustration in camp”. Because of delivery problem (courier not in operation over the weekend), those tests were not delivered to the testing facility until this morning. The Cards are expecting the results later today and if so will be back on the field Tuesday. No one got on the field today.

    These delayed tests included some intake tests (first time) and some second-round tests.

    He explained three possible outcomes from intake tests: negative (good), positive (has virus), undetermined (requires re-testing). A minority of individuals were in the latter category and their re-tests were on Friday.

    Intake test is two parts, saliva and blood/antibody. The every-other-day tests that follow are saliva only.

    Some of the tests on Sunday had to be done by Cardinals medical staff, taking them away from other duties. (This suggests some or all of the testing people did not show up at the ballpark, similar to reports from other MLB camps.)

    Not aware if today will become the scheduled off day for camp workouts. Shildt not meeting with media today.

    Players appear to be April/May level of readiness, not February.

    Will likely add a few players to the camp roster. They are going through testing now and names will be announced Tuesday.

    To clarify earlier news, five players were on the DR charter – Martinez, Cabrera, Montero plus Rondon and Julio Rodriguez. The latter two were destined for Springfield. Sosa and Herrera came in separately from Panama. Sanchez, Reyes and Fernandez originated in Florida. No news on Gallegos.

    Asst GM Moises Rodriguez and someone from the business side are doing contact tracing. With Cabrera and Montero already positive, this impacts Martinez as well (who has not been seen at workouts).

    Springfield will have its own testing, replicating what St. Louis has.

    Was aware of earlier social media photo of Bader at Edmonds’ 50th birthday. Since, Bader was part of the first tests and was negative. Team has people who red-flag social media items. Mo used it as an example, saying, “People need to take a different lifestyle strategy when not at the ballpark.”

    (BW note: Edmonds’ actual birthday was June 27. I do not know the party date.)

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    You would think mlb could afford the 15 minute test

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    They logically should be doing antibody test on intake. If 10% had it on intake then there is no reason to think another 10%-20% didnt have it in the last 4 months.

    If intake tests is the issue why do those who already have intake test results not practice?

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    It good that the problem wasn’t with the Utah lab. You can hire and fire couriers quickly, but not a central lab.

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    You would think mlb could afford the 15 minute test

    There have been reports questioning its (Abbott test) accuracy compared to some other RNA tests. Same with rapid flu tests, they have lower sensitivity, i.e., give more false negatives.

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    CC, I’m curious of your point on the intake tests. Brian’s notes on Mo said antibody tests are part of the intake tests. Did you miss that or am I missing something on your point? Thanks.

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    E.D. I missed that. I would love to see the stats across mlb on the results of those tests.

    #132378
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Looks like another bumpy day in camp ahead. 15 minutes after the Cards informed us workouts would be from 11-2 today, they came back and said they are delayed, with new time TBA. No reason was provided.

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    Brian said:

    Looks like another bumpy day in camp ahead. 15 minutes after the Cards informed us workouts would be from 11-2 today, they came back and said they are delayed, with new time TBA. No reason was provided.

    Looks like they’re still having issues with testing and getting results.

    #132415
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    It is a reasonable assumption that today’s delay is due to lack of test results, but no one knows that for sure yet.

    When Mo told us yesterday that they expected results that same day from all of the Friday tests that had not arrived at the testing facility until that same morning, I was skeptical. Not only did the lab have to deal with all the Cardinals tests that arrived yesterday, but all the other teams’ tests that were not delivered over the weekend. One could guess there could have been a lab backup and associated delay. But this is just my guess.

    As of 12:45 p.m., there is still no new time. One has to wonder how much the weather forecast changed from this morning until now.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    This puts a new spin on the weather matter…

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    If it wasnt test delays then they could have worked this morning before the bad weather came into play.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Or some other factor we don’t know about.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Mo confirmed today’s delay was waiting for results. Learned from frustration last couple of days. Not placing blame. All tests were negative. All players there who were held out have cleared.

    Reyes is not there. Carlos Martinez just joined. Media also saw Junior Fernandez on field.

    Closer if Carlos is starting is a question. Likes options including Helsley and Gallegos. Need to answer starter question first.

    Added Zack Thompson, Rob Kaminsky and Seth Elledge to camp. Thompson is slated for Springfield.

    Believes the team has enough offense to win the division.

    Mikolas and Miller threw tonight. Tim Leveque and others also saw them in Jupiter. Next 17 days to decide who will be an “opening day resource”.

    Heard that Cecil was working on lower arm slot, but hasn’t seen it yet. Cecil was throwing while Mo met with us.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Brett Cecil says lower arm slot makes him feel more competitive. Used it in college to loosen up, but got away from it as a pro to focus on job. Tried it 1 1/2 weeks before coming from FL to StL in a bullpen. Surprised himself with firmness and movement. Had thrown it with Mikolas in FL. Maddux encouraged them to use the downtime wisely. He went even further.

    Felt today was good first impression. Feels it gives him best opportunity to compete. Is not going to go back and forth between the two motions. Expects to pitch this way the this rest of career.

    Breaking ball will be more slider/slurve vs. over the top. Made a few adjustments last few days with Maddux. Good feedback from him.

    Threw two bullpens prior. Today was first vs. live hitters.

    If he could get one accomplishment this year it would be to win World Series. Personally, get in 20-25 games if lucky and do his job.

    Miles Mikolas said Cecil has good stuff from down there. Good movement. Hits me in chest (when playing catch), which I like.

    For himself, throwing today gave last bit of adrenaline, with guys in the box. Pleased with today. Threw two innings, and was done in less than 40 pitches. Wants to go 3/50 next time and would like to get to 50 even if he throws afterward.

    Tomorrow will be workout and run, with bullpen in a couple of days.

    Had seen Martinez in and out of Jupiter complex before. Last one for him to have seen in StL. Good to see him.

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    Has it been discussed why Reyes is not in camp yet?

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