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June 2, 2020 at 10:42 am #129639
My hope is 82 games. That is midway between 114 and 50.
June 2, 2020 at 10:50 am #129642I agree.
June 2, 2020 at 2:21 pm #129655So the players want a 114 game season.
The owners now want 50-60 games season that basically put the payout to the players at almost the same % of the original proposal which the players rejected.
June 2, 2020 at 5:23 pm #129656First owner proposal was 82 games at 25% of contracts, on a sliding pay scale. Second proposal is 33% of each individual contract, over 54 games (as an example).
Players are sitting on 4% of 2020 pay, with no further earning power until games are played. They may counter propose again, but imo this should be acceptable financially to them.
June 10, 2020 at 7:21 am #129952In case anyone was in doubt about where Jack Flaherty stands…
https://twitter.com/Jack9Flaherty/status/1270041809775816707
June 10, 2020 at 9:23 am #129965This tells you where the owners stand, also.
June 10, 2020 at 9:46 am #129966bccranParticipantDoes Flaherty have any concept of what’s going on in this country today?
June 10, 2020 at 12:13 pm #129975bccran asked:
Does Flaherty have any concept of what’s going on in this country today?
If you followed him, you would know that he speaks out on social matters more than many athletes. That he also supports players rights regarding their compensation should not be held against him, IMO.
I was asked this morning by Danny Mac if I thought Flaherty’s remarks would impact him. I said, no, that his stance on Union matters has no effect on his job pitching for the Cardinals. I did add, however, that I think it will be very difficult to keep him from free agency when he is eligible down the road. In the meantime, I expect he will be an exceptional pitcher.
June 10, 2020 at 12:20 pm #129976Does Flaherty have any concept of what’s going on in this country today?
Considering he is biracial, yes he does and if you followed him on social media you would see that.
June 10, 2020 at 12:33 pm #129977Brian wrote: That he also supports players rights regarding their compensation should not be held against him, IMO.
I would not hold it against him but I have very little sympathy for MLB players whose average salary is 4.4 MILLION with a low of over $550 thousand. The entire country is suffering through an economic depression caused through no fault of their own yet people who play a kids game quibble over starting a season in front of no fans and demand health measures that are not practical or can be guaranteed. I know it may be a bit dramatic but I view it as your house being on fire but the firemen refuse to come because they may not get paid enough. Perhaps it would be best for all around to not have a season and let’s just start new in Feb 2021.
June 10, 2020 at 1:10 pm #129978MM3, I was going to reply point by point, but decided it would be pointless… 😉
June 10, 2020 at 1:16 pm #129981I don’t know too many “kids game” where the owners of the sport generate 9 billion in revenue.
June 10, 2020 at 2:08 pm #129991MLB has recently been a $10 billion industry but….
#STLCards chairman claims baseball industry "isn't very profitable":https://t.co/3JhKiIBfN4 pic.twitter.com/aFxoGtNb3z
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) June 9, 2020
June 10, 2020 at 2:11 pm #129992I know the above was posted in a different thread but i thought it kind of fits in this one too. Weird for DeWitt to say that with a straight face.
June 10, 2020 at 4:44 pm #129996Analysis: Why MLB players likely will prevail on getting full prorated salary https://t.co/JotsT87S2B
— L.A. Times Sports (@latimessports) June 10, 2020
June 10, 2020 at 5:02 pm #129997Rob, how do you think it will be received?
Rob Manfred on MLB Network: Owners will make a proposal "in the players' direction" shortly. Still hopes players will "get off the 100% salary demand."
— Bill Shaikin (@BillShaikin) June 10, 2020
June 10, 2020 at 8:15 pm #130074This is a great time to stand up the MLBFA (F = Fans). Put owners and players on notice that fan attendance will not resume until the following conditions are met.
– Reduction in in ticket prices
– Reduction in parking prices
– Reduction in concession prices
– Reduction in merchandise prices
– Reduction in MLB.tv and other advanced media prices
– Reduction in cable TV / extra innings prices
– Elimination of TV blackout rules
– Etc.Fans see the world doesn’t end when pro sports go away. There are options — and this time more people will be forced to make some choices. Tolerance is pretty low for taking another shafting from the owners/players/agents and bailing out their greedy derrieres. That’s the current mood for many, but how durable will this attitude be?
June 10, 2020 at 9:02 pm #130113Add another condition to that list…
– long term, guaranteed contracts are eliminated (MLBFA members are fed up with going to a game and having to watch players like Albert Pujols, Dexter Fowler, Jason Heyward, and many others standing around on the field waiting for the clock to run out on their mega-contracts)
June 10, 2020 at 9:51 pm #130131Good addition, Mud. It’s a working list. 😉
Some of the very good players probably deserve some built-in equity, but performance needs to re-enter the equation fairly quickly. It’s hard to tell if the established players and union care more or less about the prospects than the owners do.
June 10, 2020 at 10:33 pm #130149Boom!
Some owners have mentioned that owning a team isn’t very NET profitable.. You know what other company isn’t very NET profitable? Amazon
— Max Scherzer (@Max_Scherzer) June 11, 2020
June 10, 2020 at 10:56 pm #130156Is Max lobbying for pay on par with Amazon employees?
June 11, 2020 at 5:53 am #130174Brian wrote: MM3, I was going to reply point by point, but decided it would be pointless… 😉
Gotcha.
June 11, 2020 at 6:03 am #130175I have always been a fan of what I call a ‘Production Pay System’ under which players are paid based on what they produce in a season and not what they have produced in past seasons. No long term contracts, in fact no contracts at all. Establish a pay chart with allowances for things such as games played (or innings played), at bats, hits (singles/doubles/triples), etc, etc with established amounts for defensive excellence too. The pay would have to allow for a substantial amount for the best players and be scaled down to the average player. When do I expect such a system to take root in MLB? Never. EOS.
June 11, 2020 at 8:02 am #130180RE: Production Pay System
A very similar pay system that is currently used to pay players after their near minimum years, and until they earn free agency, is called arb salaries. A season at a time, based on individual production vs their peers.
June 11, 2020 at 8:45 am #130188This gets to the very heart of DeWitt’s tone-deaf comment.
Since Bill DeWitt bought the Cardinals, the S&P 500 stock index, has appreciated at a rate of 7.9% per year. His Cardinals investment has appreciated over 12% per year. Yet he claims "the industry isn't very profitable" Dissecting a whopper at @baseballpro https://t.co/olbcUQ3Ozm
— Rob Mains (@Cran_Boy) June 11, 2020
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