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June 12, 2020 at 10:25 am #130415
I suspect they were quiet the last two days to not take focus away from their draft.
June 12, 2020 at 2:45 pm #130429They just keep repackaging the same crap thinking everyone else is stupid.
Source confirms: MLB proposal to union: 72-game season with players receiving 70 percent of prorated salaries for regular season and 80 percent if posteason is completed. First @BNightengale.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) June 12, 2020
June 12, 2020 at 4:19 pm #130433Not surprised that the numbers are like moving goalposts.
June 12, 2020 at 4:26 pm #130436Reactions to the owner’s latest proposal:
The League and players explained in Father/son duo titled “Juice vs Water.”
(Forgive my delayed voice) pic.twitter.com/9Zi8ncvpQW— andrew mccutchen (@TheCUTCH22) June 12, 2020
June 12, 2020 at 4:38 pm #130438The owners are definitely flexing their muscle to say the least. There are a few who talk more negative about DeWallet than me, BUT, if they are going to be actually losing money by paying 100% of the salaries by playing games/paying players, what is their motivation to start the season earlier and not drag this out even longer?
I wonder if MLB, or individual teams, etc have gone to their networks and asked for more? It would be very simple to argue for it. Your ratings will be much higher due to everyone either not being able to go to games, or for my personal example, some of us Illinoisans who are living in a Pritzkercratic society will all be tuned in? I would not be surprised in the least if ratings doubled in an 81 (50%) game season.
June 12, 2020 at 4:44 pm #130440BW, yes 640K per game in players salaries only. An earlier link you provided had the players full prorated salary at 1.9 billion over 82 games. I guess the 4 billion includes all expenses.
June 12, 2020 at 5:25 pm #130444CFICT,
70% GUARANTEED pay over 72 regular season games is the same overall dollars as 50 games at 100% pay. The commissioner even suggested a 48 game schedule previously. The owners are showing their losses cap each proposal, just tweeking the amount of games and the % of full pay each time.If the players are going to hold out for 100% pro-rated regular season pay, they should expect a 50-ish game season. 54 games is 33% of a season, which is what Flaherty alluded to on his twitter.
June 12, 2020 at 7:11 pm #130447It is getting uglier… There is speculation out there that Manfred is on the hot seat with hard line owners for the March agreement that the players are sticking to.
There's a really good nugget in this article: Pat Houlihan, MLB legal counsel, similarly acknowledged in his May 22 letter to the PA. ‘We agree with the Association that, under the Agreement, players are not required to accept less than their full prorated salary.’’
I don't https://t.co/50aL8oVyI8
— (((EugeneFreedman))) (@EugeneFreedman) June 12, 2020
For those who don’t subscribe to The Athletic, here is a summary.
June 12, 2020 at 7:28 pm #130448This is the prelude to what the next CBA is gonna be like.
June 13, 2020 at 8:30 am #130470This gentleman (also mentioned above) is a professional negotiator who has been watching the proceedings. He is critical of ownership’s tactics if the intent is to strike an agreement.
Here's my thread from last night presented like an article. https://t.co/RdlMQSxgc1
— (((EugeneFreedman))) (@EugeneFreedman) June 13, 2020
June 13, 2020 at 9:41 am #130480I can’t side with players on this one.
It’s a strange situation and whatever deal they agree to for this season will not carry forward to the next CBA. Two totally independent negotiations.
The owners should set up a sliding scale for % of salary (loosely based on how federal income tax is paid) not just an across the board number.
Lower salary players should receive a higher % of their salary.
The big boys will take the biggest % cut but obviously still make the most money by far, as they should.
Another angle would be for the Owners to say – based on average expected income per game – here is the total amount of money we can pay a team per game based on an X game season. You players decide how you want to split it up.
June 13, 2020 at 10:26 am #130483The whole problems stems from the original agreement both sides made back in March. MLB agreed to pay players 100% pro rata. Now the owners are wanting to renege on the deal and people are still trying to blame the players.
I’m sure though that the people carrying the owner’s water would also agree that the owners should increase salaries on the whim when things are going financially well.
MLB: Do you want a half dozen donuts?
MLBPA: No.
MLB: Oh, So you want 6?
MLBPA: That’s the same thing
MLB: Our mistake. How about 2 sets of 3?
MLBPA: Never mind.
MLB: Wait wait, I can give you 3 sets of 2. How’s that?— Daniel Descalso (@DanielDescalso) June 13, 2020
June 13, 2020 at 1:41 pm #130489This is not going to end well. Manfred may try to unilaterally implement a 48 or 50 game season but the next CBA, which is just around the corner, is going to be an all out war. Both sides are dug in and there will be some long memories come CBA time.
Oh well, 26 years of labor peace was a good run I suppose. DeWitt will have plenty of time to go visit his new mansion in Hollywood, assuming that he still has enough funds left to do it.
June 13, 2020 at 1:48 pm #130492June 13, 2020 at 1:53 pm #130493Probably dealing with a moving target financially and it’s a complex enough situation that probably on one posting here fully understands all the moving parts.
I don’t expect any business owner to operate at a loss. If they choose to, fine.
The players are employees. If they make a roster they have a choice about whether or not they want to play baseball for a living.
If enough players get fed up they can go start their own league – don’t believe it would be the first time?
Personally, I would like to watch some baseball but if they don’t play then they don’t play – not much we can do about it.
MLB is the owners and players calf to kill if that’s what they want to do. Watching players in all sports becoming political activists while ‘on the job’ has driven me away from several sports already. May be best if baseball just cancels the season, lets everything settle down, and starts fresh next year.
June 13, 2020 at 3:09 pm #130496ZTR. You’re POV makes sense. The problem is that there is an opposing POV that also makes sense. Each side is totally convinced that their point of view is the only point of view that is valid. Neither side wants to try to understand what the other has to say. In other words there’s no actual dialogue. Both sides are trying to resolve their issues be digging in with the strategy that eventually the other side will collapse. I only hope that after this is over the game becomes more competitive, and that younger generations of fans start finding the game exciting again, and that attendances begins going up rather than down year after year. If that doesn’t happen, there will be nothing to dig in about.
June 13, 2020 at 3:20 pm #130498Jays' Randal Grichuk rips Rob Manfred, says owners are 'wasting time to get what they want.' https://t.co/24ANEsdL0n pic.twitter.com/pJKoIiBrRJ
— theScore (@theScore) June 13, 2020
June 13, 2020 at 3:26 pm #130499But baseball is simply not very profitable.
BREAKING: MLB and Turner Sports have agreed to a new billion dollar deal for the network to continue broadcasting an LCS and the playoffs, The Post has learned.https://t.co/ZJp92Hcqym
— Andrew Marchand (@AndrewMarchand) June 13, 2020
June 13, 2020 at 5:21 pm #130501Like I mentioned to another poster… Why doesn’t somebody ask Mr. DeWitt, and other owners, what ‘not very profitable’ means rather than just making incendiary comments. There’s probably a way to find that out without having to have them show you their IRS 1040’s. If you’re already 100 per cent sure they’re only going to lie to you, then you should probably sit down and shut up because you are of no use in solving anything.
June 13, 2020 at 5:48 pm #130502oh my, this should be good
June 13, 2020 at 5:54 pm #130503bccranParticipantIf you understand how private equity works, you’d understand Bill Dewitt’s remark.
June 13, 2020 at 5:54 pm #130504If MLB and the PA can’t keep their negotiations secret there will likely be no agreement because of fan griping and scribblers guessing. Leaks from the talks remind me of leaks in the political arena. Somebody is looking to get an edge when they leak information.
June 13, 2020 at 6:29 pm #130505Looks like it will probably be a 45-50 game season
The Major League Baseball Players Association has rejected MLB's latest proposal and will not counter, sources tell ESPN. In a letter to the league, the union asked MLB to inform it of how many games it intends to play and when players should report.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) June 13, 2020
June 13, 2020 at 6:36 pm #130506Major League Baseball Players Association Executive Director Tony Clark today released the following statement: pic.twitter.com/d1p3Oj4K70
— MLBPA Communications (@MLBPA_News) June 13, 2020
June 13, 2020 at 6:49 pm #130508The next CBA is going to be awful.
MLBPA negotiator Bruce Meyer to MLB negotiator Dan Halem: "Without getting into all of your underhanded tactics to circumvent the union, your approach has been one delay tactic after another."
— Bill Shaikin (@BillShaikin) June 13, 2020
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