December 7, 2017 at 10:55 am #38933
I think TB would gladly trade those 3 players, but I don’t think that package will get it done.
They might take Gyorko as a replacement for Longoria, since his guaranteed $22 million is much less than the $100 million that Longoria is guaranteed. I also think that Tuivailala would be an acceptable piece for them. However, I question whether they would have much interest in Wick, Valera, and Gant, but who knows. You might have to add a better pitching prospect, say Alcantara. That might not get it done either, but that is about all I would give for that group (assuming no money is involved).
I like the way you think though.December 7, 2017 at 11:19 am #38935
I agree that there is no comparison between Stanton and Longoria. In fact, is Longoria even an upgrade over Gyorko? We would still need an upgrade somewhere. Jose Abreau would be nice, but you are replacing a left-handed bat with a right handed bat. AND, I don’t think the Cards will move Carp to 2nd base. Now, I know that Carp has been told that he will be a “super-sub”, but I don’t buy that. If we get another 1B, then I think Carp will be traded. If that happens, Wong and Fowler would be the only left-handed bats in the lineup.
Instead, I would try to sign Hosmer. Not sure that he would be an upgrade for the lineup either, but maybe we’d get a defensive upgrade (and something in return for Carp).December 7, 2017 at 11:56 am #38936
I included Gant in the trade package because he is young,versatile SP/RP and cheap.Wick as a young cheap promising power arm (TB loves pitchers)and i should have changed Luke Voit for Valera.As for Hosmer i have yet to hear of any team getting involved with him because his price is way too hgh.Same thing with JD Martinez….both are asking for the moon salary-wise and there has been little speculation about both players.I would not go over 15 million yearly for Hosmer and that would be my absolute limit.I think that if everything else fails thru then Cards sign Logan Morrison and a bullpen guyfor setup/closer (Gregerson/Albers/Shaw).December 7, 2017 at 1:48 pm #38937
Derrick Goold at Post-Dispatch thinks that Jose Martinez will be our starting first baseman. So do I. And if that does happen, we just have to be willing to excuse the times when the ball bounces off his glove similar to the way Lester gets excused for not being able to throw over to 1B. Just remember that he makes really good plays, too. For me, its fun watching Jose take his AB. He’s got a bit of a flair, IMHO.December 7, 2017 at 2:15 pm #38941
If that’s true then bye bye Carpenter.December 7, 2017 at 3:02 pm #38946
To me it reads more that Gyorko may be gone… his contract and value for that contract has to be pretty tasty to a lot of teams…Carp playing 3b (whether any of you like it or not) is something the team has shown no problem in going to.
Carp’s poor last year makes him a sell low option, which if the player was middling and hadnt dealt with an injury, might have been an option….but Carp has shown the ability to hit and hit at a degree that to me doesnt scream “Sell low”….
now Gyorko…no doubt last year (and coming off the good last half the year before)…seems a sell high guy right now… and that combined with his good contract should make his value be quite high and a much better chip for trades…Carp woudl get some action but it just wouldnt be worth it given what he has shown the ability to do in the pastDecember 7, 2017 at 3:04 pm #38947
saw that someone wrote that Fowler would potentially be in play for trading and that the Jays woudl be a potentially good landing spot for him…(they have need in the outfield and they offered him a good contract last year)
Donaldson deal? or maybe target Stroman or Osuna? Or maybe they want to re-sign Donaldson and might let some PRY Guererro Jr. from them for an exorbitant amount…December 7, 2017 at 3:12 pm #38948
It doesn’t matter whether I like or not. The fact is they set out to improve defense if you put Martinez at first then wherever Carp goes the defense goes down except at first where he is adequate. So move an adequate first baseman to be an inadequate third baseman and replace him at first with a not as good first baseman. That should upgrade the defense quite nicely.December 7, 2017 at 4:18 pm #38949
I’ve never advocated for DeJong to be a utility player. If we sign Cozart he and DeJong would both be starters since there is a good chance that Gyroko or Wong get traded.December 7, 2017 at 5:05 pm #38955
Marlins traded Dee Gordon to Seattle, where reports have him targeted for CF. No announcement yet of other players.
Cubs to sign P Tyler Chatwood to a three-year, $38 MM contract.December 7, 2017 at 5:25 pm #38957
That chatwood one is a headscratcher… Even with his home road splits
Doesnt give 200 innings and is iffy as a pitcher. Maybe they get their money out of it but there are much better options.
Good for us long term imoDecember 8, 2017 at 11:29 am #38999
There is speculation that by offloading Gordon’s contract the Marlins now may be more reluctant to trade Yelich or Ozuna. We shall see.
As for Chatwood I remember D. Goold mentioning awhile back that the Cards might have interest in him. The gamble is that he will be much better outside of Coors. Maybe the Cubs pounced because they don’t like their chances of getting Ohtani. We can only hope.December 8, 2017 at 11:42 am #39003
I read somewhere online the other day that the Cards might try to move Fowler. That would contradict what Mozeliak reportedly told Fowler when he flew out to talk to him about a position change.
I can’t find the link to the article I read and I can’t remember who wrote it therefore I can’t verify how credible it is.
Edit: I found it. It was Jon Heyman.
December 8, 2017 at 11:47 am #39004
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The Chatwood signing is interesting. It’s a lot of money for one and everyone keeps referencing his road ERA. However, his FIP and xFIP show he’s the same guy home or away (FIP of 4.79, xFIP of 4.39 on road)
So why is he so much worse at home? Well, his BABIP-against is .350 there, while it’s .219 on the road. I don’t expect him to maintain those numbers, plus Wrigley isn’t that much better than Coors in some respects. Also, I read that he’s already had two Tommy John surgeries. Yeesh.December 9, 2017 at 12:43 am #39062
It’s time for Donaldson.
They can’t make excuses this time. Matheny’s job is on the line.December 9, 2017 at 2:05 pm #39117
There are many ways to improve this team. Everyone acts like Stanton was the only way but not true. Personally I feel like we dodged a bullet. I don’t like having all of my eggs in one basket.
Donaldson, Yelich, Cargo, Cozart, Longoria, Hosmer, Archer, Darvish, Colome, Britton, Wade Davis, etc….. Lot’s of Plan B options out there.
December 9, 2017 at 2:18 pm #39121
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There isn’t a big impact bat avail right now anymore and that was the cards biggest need to get them back into post season and if they dont get a impact back it will be three years in a row no posteasonDecember 9, 2017 at 4:08 pm #39129
Wrong. There are plenty of big bats available via trade or FA. Enough with the chicken little routine.December 9, 2017 at 5:46 pm #39134
Not sure of many big bats that could be on the team for years, though I’m not sure who those big bats are as most of them are that they could be big bats, with the likes of Stanton and Pujols there isn’t really a maybe involved…just hope that the team actually does something at the meetings starting tomorrow…December 9, 2017 at 6:03 pm #39135
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I don’t understand why so many of you are so hot for Longoria. He’s yesterday’s ballplayer, far more expensive than he’s worth, and not really an upgrade of any consequence.December 9, 2017 at 6:17 pm #39136
If we could get Ozuna or Yelich, then Donaldson, that would easily be the equivalent of a big bat, IMO. In fact, I’d take that over signing Stanton any time. There’s way more risk with Stanton and his contract before you even consider that Stanton might be a head case.
I’m not big on Longoria, either. But its intriguing to think about what he might do in an environment where he knows what he does gives his team a chance to be in the postseason. It hassn’t been that way in Tampa for quite some time.December 9, 2017 at 6:56 pm #39142
The Os are at least taking calls on Machado it seems. Maybe no real chance for him but I’d call and see.
It’d be costly for the trade and you only do the trade if you’re also going to throw crazy money to get the extension on him early so it’s a big commitment but it may be worth trying. Even if expensive.
Machado trade and extension (300million plus at least probably)…Gyorko Reyes Gomber Grichuk Sierra
Trade for Ozuna…Wacha Tuivalala Voit seijas
Trade for Colome or sign two FA RPs if you can get Archer in the trade go for it. Kelly Alcantara Hudson Perez jmachado
Trade Fowler to the Jays for some salary relief maybe we can get osuna?
Trade Piscotty to A’s for Ryan Dull
Sign backup catcher hanigan
Depletes the system a lot. But sets us up not to depend on it for a while
Probably too many moving pieces. But there are good young targets out there worthy of big money and losing big prospects
Carp Pham Machado Ozuna DeJong Yadi Wong Bader
Hanigan Garcia O’Neill Jmart Valera
CMart archer Miikolos weaver Waino/flaherty
Colome osuna dull Lyons Cecil bowman BrebbiaDecember 9, 2017 at 7:11 pm #39144
I dont trade Reyes for the right to give a guy a $30mm contract. The rest is interesting. The outfield depth is weak but there would be money under this scenario to sign someone.
December 10, 2017 at 12:41 am #39150
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I think Cards end up with Logan Morrison as a LEFTY hitting 1B-LF-RF option.Brandon Morrow or Anthony Swarzak for bullpen setup guys.Mo /Girsch will sign a guy with Closer experience coming off a bad year(Francisco Rodriguez or Huston Street.I think Piscotty goes to OAKLAND for a young bullpen arm.as for making a trade i think its YELICH FROM mIAMI FOR Alcantara,Jose Adolis Garcia and LUKE Voit and Josh Lucas.December 10, 2017 at 2:06 pm #39196
No way you trade Reyes for one year of Machado. The only way you even consider trading Reyes is for a long term asset like Archer and even then I would probably balk.
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